From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <3bd3a963-a71c-4754-94e9-3a93cdc0cdf7@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com> References: <873ajzwoqu.fsf@kobe.laptop> <823901dd-c54c-4e3b-b6ad-512d52724a46@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <2868c8db-ff02-4d67-9e80-4cf323086ca3@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222094529 13869 80.91.229.12 (22 Sep 2008 14:42:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:42:09 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 22 16:43:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Khmcv-0000r5-2D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:43:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58282 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Khmbt-0000oD-B8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:41:57 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 92 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1222091624 3720 127.0.0.1 (22 Sep 2008 13:53:44 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162559 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57901 Archived-At: On Sep 22, 5:16 am, "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" wrote: > Xah Lee wrote: > > Hi Erik Fragga, > > > On the subject of RSI, perhaps you should use Dvorak, and you'd be > > interested in my article here: > > > How To Avoid The Emacs Pinky Problem > > http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_pinky.html > > Xah, it is good that you try to help people with this, but why don't you > mention sticky keys: > > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/StickyModifiers Gosh, in every thread that relates to keybinding, you post about sticky keys, as if insisting that it is the ultimate solution. Kinda getting annoying! =3D(^o^)=3D (and i was shocked that in a discussion with you about a month or 2 ago here, despite all your enthus about emacs keybinding as done in your EmacsW32, you have no familiarity on how keyboard shorcuts on the Mac is like) i'm not sure what to say about sticky keys as a UI with respect to ergonomics and efficiency ... Here's some quick notes: =E2=80=A2 i like them fine. I've used Windows NT daily, 8 hours a day, from about 1998 to 2005. =E2=80=A2 sticky key, or pressing several keystrokes in sequence as opposed= to pressing multiple keys together, is good alternative i think, possibly even better, as a UI in terms of ergonomics and efficiency of typing shortcuts ... though, i have not really studied key sequence alternative in detail. When i used windows, i do press Alt then some other key often and love it. ... alright, i'm adding the sticky suggestion here: http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_pinky.html Thanks for the suggestion. (should show up later today... my web server having some problem i think) > On the bottom of that page is also a link to Alex Schr=C3=B6der's comment > about physical fitness and RSI. I very much agree with Alex conclusion. One major thing is that he adopted the Kinesis keyboard. The Kinesis keyboard fixed several keyboard design problems. I came to know about Kinesis in maybe 1993 and touched in it stores (Fry's Electronics). I think it is excellent. i have photo and commentary here: http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboards.html see also: Keyboard Hardware Design Flaws http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboard_problems.html afaik, kinesis hold the patent on the keyboard design. I think that's why u dont see for example microsoft introduce mod keys at thumb position or non-jagged arrangement of the keys of their ego keyboards and new designs. i think i might patent my ergonomic shortcut layout for text editing too. At least, others can't patent it cause i did it and published it. one thing i think is a obvious design flaw in Kinesis is that the functions keys are a row of rubbish buttons instead of keys, and that they are uniformally laid out in a row as opposed to 4 groups of keys. The button style hinder user them, and the uniform row hinders touch typing them. i've been toying with the idea of actually buying the $250 or $300 keyboard now and then ever since i saw it in early 1990s.. but just never did. I'm now quite happy with Microsoft's ergonomic split keyboards. i'm already using dvorak (since ~1993), and already using a rather radical keybinding set in emacs... i'm sure getting myself Kinesiss will officially qualify me as isnane and put me in more odds with the common people or even the tech geekers. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84