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From: Xah Lee <xah@xahlee.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up?
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:53:44 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bd3a963-a71c-4754-94e9-3a93cdc0cdf7@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.19683.1222085805.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

On Sep 22, 5:16 am, "Lennart Borgman (gmail)"
<lennart.borg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Xah Lee wrote:
> > Hi Erik Fragga,
>
> > On the subject of RSI, perhaps you should use Dvorak, and you'd be
> > interested in my article here:
>
> > How To Avoid The Emacs Pinky Problem
> > http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_pinky.html
>
> Xah, it is good that you try to help people with this, but why don't you
>  mention sticky keys:
>
>  http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/StickyModifiers

Gosh, in every thread that relates to keybinding, you post about
sticky keys, as if insisting that it is the ultimate solution. Kinda
getting annoying! =(^o^)=

(and i was shocked that in a discussion with you about a month or 2
ago here, despite all your enthus about emacs keybinding as done in
your EmacsW32, you have no familiarity on how keyboard shorcuts on the
Mac is like)

i'm not sure what to say about sticky keys as a UI with respect to
ergonomics and efficiency ... Here's some quick notes:

• i like them fine. I've used Windows NT daily, 8 hours a day, from
about 1998 to 2005.

• sticky key, or pressing several keystrokes in sequence as opposed to
pressing multiple keys together, is good alternative i think, possibly
even better, as a UI in terms of ergonomics and efficiency of typing
shortcuts ... though, i have not really studied key sequence
alternative in detail. When i used windows, i do press Alt then some
other key often and love it.

... alright, i'm adding the sticky suggestion here:
http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_pinky.html

Thanks for the suggestion.

(should show up later today... my web server having some problem i
think)

> On the bottom of that page is also a link to Alex Schröder's comment
> about physical fitness and RSI. I very much agree with Alex conclusion.

One major thing is that he adopted the Kinesis keyboard.

The Kinesis keyboard fixed several keyboard design problems. I came to
know about Kinesis in maybe 1993 and touched in it stores (Fry's
Electronics). I think it is excellent.

i have photo and commentary here:
http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboards.html

see also:
Keyboard Hardware Design Flaws
http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboard_problems.html

afaik, kinesis hold the patent on the keyboard design. I think that's
why u dont see for example microsoft introduce mod keys at thumb
position or non-jagged arrangement of the keys of their ego keyboards
and new designs.

i think i might patent my ergonomic shortcut layout for text editing
too. At least, others can't patent it cause i did it and published it.

one thing i think is a obvious design flaw in Kinesis is that the
functions keys are a row of rubbish buttons instead of keys, and that
they are uniformally laid out in a row as opposed to 4 groups of keys.
The button style hinder user them, and the uniform row hinders touch
typing them.

i've been toying with the idea of actually buying the $250 or $300
keyboard now and then ever since i saw it in early 1990s.. but just
never did. I'm now quite happy with Microsoft's ergonomic split
keyboards.

i'm already using dvorak (since ~1993), and already using a rather
radical keybinding set in emacs... i'm sure getting myself Kinesiss
will officially qualify me as isnane and put me in more odds with the
common people or even the tech geekers.

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-22 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-16  5:28 How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Davin Pearson
2008-09-16  7:39 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-09-16  8:47   ` Davin Pearson
2008-09-16  8:14 ` Adam Rooke
2008-09-16  8:44 ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-16  8:44 ` Charles Sebold
2008-09-16 20:57   ` Xah
2008-09-17  1:22     ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-09-18  5:35       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-18  5:41         ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19  0:39         ` tyler
     [not found]         ` <mailman.19510.1221784782.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-19  4:16           ` David Kastrup
2008-09-19 12:42             ` tyler
2008-09-20  1:53               ` Allan Gottlieb
2008-09-29 19:20                 ` tyler
2008-10-01 10:26                   ` Tassilo Horn
     [not found]             ` <mailman.19545.1221828161.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-19 21:09               ` David Kastrup
2008-09-19  4:49           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-18 23:50       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19  8:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.19536.1221814453.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-19 11:34           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 13:04             ` Cor Gest
2008-09-19 14:21               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 15:32                 ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-20  0:54                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22  8:25                     ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-22 11:40                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 12:16                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.19683.1222085805.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-22 13:53                           ` Xah Lee [this message]
2008-09-22 14:50                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.19689.1222095038.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-23 13:49                               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 15:47                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.19771.1222184864.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-23 16:27                                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 16:47                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.19774.1222188466.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-23 16:59                                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 17:43                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-22 18:25                         ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-23  8:16                           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 13:02                             ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-23 15:20                               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 18:55                                 ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-09-24  1:59                                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24  8:31                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-24 10:12                                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-09-24 11:46                                       ` Alexey Pustyntsev
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.19815.1222259480.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-24 12:52                                         ` Andreas Politz
2008-09-24 13:30                                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24  9:28                                     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.19809.1222248534.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-24 14:38                                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24 17:15                                         ` Nikolaj Schumacher
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.19834.1222276553.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-25  3:16                                           ` Xah
2008-09-23 20:34                                 ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-23 21:16                                 ` harven
2008-09-24  1:35                                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 16:13               ` Nikolaj Schumacher
     [not found]               ` <mailman.19563.1221840835.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-20  0:02                 ` Xah Lee
2008-09-20  1:12                   ` Chetan
2008-09-20  2:35                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2008-09-24  7:35                     ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.19800.1222241766.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-24  9:26                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-26  4:52                         ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.19977.1222404766.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-26 12:39                           ` Xah
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.19592.1221878128.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-20  2:58                     ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24  7:54                       ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.19802.1222242899.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-24 10:02                         ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24 11:42                           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24 12:51                             ` rustom
2008-09-24 13:33                               ` Bug? buffer-offer-save Xah Lee
2008-09-24 14:31                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-09-24 14:33                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-09-26  5:40                           ` How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.19978.1222407641.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-26 13:28                             ` Xah
2008-09-26 21:45                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-09-27  2:20                               ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.20050.1222482050.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-27 14:27                                 ` Xah
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.20040.1222465122.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-27  0:15                                 ` Chetan
2008-09-27  7:57                                   ` Andreas Politz
2008-09-27 14:17                                     ` Xah
2008-09-27 12:42                                 ` Chetan
2008-09-27 16:19                                 ` Xah
2008-09-27 17:28                                   ` Sean Sieger
2008-09-27 18:12                                   ` B. T. Raven
2008-09-27 22:48                                     ` Chetan
2008-09-28  3:43                                     ` Xah
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.20073.1222536552.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-28  2:46                                     ` Xah
2008-09-28 16:18                               ` stan
2008-09-28 17:11                                 ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29  2:34                                   ` stan
2008-09-29  2:58                                     ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29 15:39                                       ` Cor Gest
2008-09-29 16:03                                         ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29 16:37                                           ` Cor Gest
2008-09-29 17:50                                             ` Richard Riley
2008-10-15 16:01                                             ` buffers and files and plus ca la change and all that OtherMichael
2008-10-01  1:37                                       ` How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? stan
2008-10-01 11:44                                         ` rustom
2008-10-01 19:58                                           ` Sean Sieger
2008-10-01 14:19                                         ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29 14:06                                     ` rustom
2008-09-29 14:32                                       ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29 16:56                                         ` Chetan
2008-09-30  9:46                                           ` Paul R
2008-09-30 13:37                                             ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2008-10-01  7:27                                               ` Paul R
     [not found]                                             ` <mailman.20241.1222781309.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-30 19:20                                               ` xraysmalevich
2008-09-20 10:51                   ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-19 13:08             ` xraysmalevich
2008-09-19 14:13               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 15:21                 ` xraysmalevich
2008-09-19 15:36                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 13:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.19551.1221832017.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-19 14:32               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 15:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-09-19 16:39                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-09-20  0:12                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-20  0:48                     ` Cor Gest
2008-09-20  3:06                       ` Xah Lee
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.19558.1221838316.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-19 18:11                   ` Lowell Gilbert
2008-09-19 20:36         ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-09-20  0:50           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-20  8:17             ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]             ` <mailman.19598.1221898300.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-22 13:07               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 16:29                 ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-22 16:58                 ` Sean Sieger
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.19702.1222100964.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-22 17:06                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 19:05                     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-24  2:08                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24  4:32                     ` Ross A. Laird
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.19792.1222230766.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-24 10:22                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-09-25  4:01                       ` Xah
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2008-09-22 17:56                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 19:15                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-09-23 14:47                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 22:13                 ` Alan Mackenzie
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2008-09-22 22:36                   ` David Kastrup
2008-09-24 11:43                     ` Alan Mackenzie
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2008-09-27 16:35                       ` Xah
2008-09-20  8:50         ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]         ` <mailman.19599.1221900241.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-22 13:08           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-17  7:36     ` Kevin Rodgers
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2008-09-17 23:16       ` Xah
2008-09-21 12:06     ` Christian Herenz
2008-09-21 19:01       ` Joost Kremers
2008-09-24 14:39 ` William Case
     [not found] ` <mailman.19824.1222267150.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-25  5:06   ` Tim X
2008-09-25  6:35     ` Xah
2008-09-25  8:13       ` Jonathan Groll
     [not found]       ` <mailman.19898.1222330438.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-25  9:09         ` Andreas Politz
2008-09-25 10:01           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-09-25 11:17           ` Xah
     [not found]           ` <mailman.19906.1222336893.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-25 12:07             ` Xah
2008-09-25 12:53               ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]               ` <mailman.19912.1222347213.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-25 13:21                 ` Xah
2008-09-25 13:48                   ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.19917.1222350495.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-25 13:57                     ` Xah
2008-09-25 15:39                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.19926.1222357204.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-26  1:07                         ` Xah
2008-09-25 11:00         ` Xah
2008-09-25 13:34           ` language (was: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up?) Ted Zlatanov
2008-09-25 13:49             ` Xah
2008-09-25 19:47               ` language Ted Zlatanov
2008-09-25 17:58           ` How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Sean Sieger
     [not found]           ` <mailman.19940.1222365501.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-26  1:04             ` Xah

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