From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: unicode encoding and curly quotes [was: How to open a file in sh-mode] Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <3b338834-fb07-436d-8763-60188a143ebc@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <64d8ebaf-0c89-4e9d-9aee-86b4e9414449@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <44043b4c-ffad-437e-a8d4-5b049fc4d136@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1221507764 18302 80.91.229.12 (15 Sep 2008 19:42:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:42:44 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 15 21:43:39 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KfJyp-0000J0-0L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:43:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44828 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KfJxo-0001ql-4t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:42:24 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 87 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1221505751 22547 127.0.0.1 (15 Sep 2008 19:09:11 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162312 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57649 Archived-At: On Sep 14, 3:35 pm, dkco...@panix.com (David Combs) wrote: > In article <44043b4c-ffad-437e-a8d4-5b049fc4d...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups= .com>, > > Xah wrote: > >David Combs wrote: > >> Xah-- question about the characters in your posts: > > >> If I or someone sees eg a url in one of your posts, and > >> wants to go to that url (because you've suggested doing that, > >> maybe), it's a little difficult to just cut-n-paste your string, > >> what with all the extra control or whatever they are characters > >> mixed in. > > >> What is that stuff, why is it there, and is it really necessary > >> for you to include it. > > >The summation sign =E2=80=9C=E2=88=91=E2=80=9D in my sig is my and my we= bsite signet. > > >in the end of my sig, there's this character =E2=80=9C=E2=98=84=E2=80=9D= (unicode name > >=E2=80=9Ccomet=E2=80=9D). It is there so that it forces groups.google.co= m and Apple > > ... > ... > > Well, whatever. Way over my head. is that a joke? its hard to tell on newsgroup. > Anyway, *if* you really want *me* to go look at > some suggested url, then please do it TWO ways: > > . Your current scheme, which I cannot use. > . Plain ascii, 100% ready to be cut-n-pasted into a web-browser, > with no edits needed. yes i'm also a bit confused. When having a url in my post, maybe a year ago i used to quote them in a few messages but i quickly stopped that because newsgroup or email apps will parse wrongly as to include the quoting char as part of the link. So, these days i have spaces around any url. I don't think i even quote them with unicode chars, but possibly with parens. like this: ( http://example.com/ ) perhaps you mean something like the following are hard to copy/paste?? =E2=80=A2 http://example.com/ ... unless there's something in your message i really missed out... please take a look at unicode. It's really here to stay for good. It's in MS Windows NT and decendents from the ground up (i.e. since mid 1990s), it's the base encoding in XML standard and various other protocols and langs (e.g. java), supported by elisp as far as my experience goes better than any other lang in practical sense, and required by law for any comp in china and Chinese sites are some major percentage of the world's web traffic... also if u look at Wikipedia, which is world's top 5 web traffic for 2 or more years, it uses unicode chars liberally ... see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB_18030 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet some quote: =C2=ABGB18030 can be considered a Unicode Transformation Format (i.e. an encoding of all Unicode code points) that maintains compatibility with a legacy character set. Like UTF-8, GB18030 is a superset of ASCII and can represent the whole range of Unicode code points; =C2=BB =C2=ABAfter English (30% of Web visitors) the most requested languages on the World Wide Web are Chinese (17%), Spanish (9%), Japanese (7%), French (5%) and German (5%).[8] By continent, 38% of the world's Internet users are based in Asia, 27% in Europe, 18% in North America, 10% in Latin America and the Caribbean, and 7% in Australia.[6]=C2=BB Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84