From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Edward O'Connor" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ERC: Scroll to bottom by default Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:31:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3b31caf90907311031u4b31a3a2k81276c134502bcec@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b501d5c0907310751y2d9626bcj75c75f328b3f95c2@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249061518 30263 80.91.229.12 (31 Jul 2009 17:31:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:31:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 31 19:31:51 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MWvxN-0005kf-32 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:31:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59881 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MWvxM-0000GT-4P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:31:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MWvx0-0000Ek-V4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MWvww-0000EN-5H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:31:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36974 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MWvwv-0000EK-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:31:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vw0-f182.google.com ([209.85.212.182]:44773) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MWvwv-00074c-De for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:31:21 -0400 Original-Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12so275149vws.24 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:31:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ITXyof8V8O72YNAg7hEjhshN9ujoHjDhaJSq34eG7GU=; b=sVyBnbYTG+UEjW3i2zanIKb6FDvt4vJ4GX0JOAc1sJHbGE06d8T3fPEX1L/68G9O3k 1XcNdveaOO7Dw8lprmjdWo52sFLxpYGck5naWwZRLohPmtkB/fdugIPd4xQzFEWuELvv mxN2d66tLF9Eu8nG1fjCUs5DQDPeO2pJ7FJ5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=r0efwe0sOW8AGpPOIfDKJXEw7xlSWdtC1+U4PIt697ZL4r9CFXWsZZAijlF2ywMT25 3x6mFD7Kzw/Rvnqy2Y+F1OB2VGl99i+Y6dOB8PywSj1YUWBmBOll7kfIBnYsf4ERwXw6 7yaHPBNMZQ6QwUfvGbmpqXy0fgN+ZLK8HmfkY= Original-Received: by 10.220.72.129 with SMTP id m1mr3118387vcj.76.1249061480450; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:31:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0907310751y2d9626bcj75c75f328b3f95c2@mail.gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113468 Archived-At: > This has always bugged me[...] > Given the nature of IRC and IM protocols in general, I think most > people would want to enable scrolltobottom by default and set > erc-input-line-position to -1, I disagree. One of the advantages of using IRC (or IM, etc.) in Emacs is that things act like they're in Emacs. If a buffer started keeping its last line at the bottom of the window, regardless of mode, that would be really weird. > to make it act like pretty much every > other IRC client out there. By that argument, we should have kept `erc-prompt-interactive-input', which moved the ERC prompt out of the buffer and into the minibuffer. But that UI doesn't fit in with Emacs, so we dropped it. > I keep forgetting how to set it, since there are two variables that need to be changed. Maybe the documentation could be improved to make how to do this more clear? Ted