From: Jari Aalto <jari.aalto@cante.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on by default]
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:52:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3aq93li6.fsf@blue.sea.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 874pavg45t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
* Tue 2008-03-25 Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> gmane.emacs.devel
* Message-Id: 874pavg45t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
> The only reason not to make Windows/Mac-like behavior the default that
> makes sense to me is if we think that traditional Emacs behavior is
> *clearly* superior for *most* beginners, enough to make it worth a
> short period of confusion and annoyance while they learn to use the
> Emacs behaviors.
The principle "make them learn" isn't a productive starting point.
This old thinking a is sure way to degrade Emacs to a niche for only
the very enduring people.
As Paul said, we should nor neglect to consider new users as a
valuable new resource. They should be approached with care and with
listening ear.
If they don't get hooked, they will not (and don't want to) spend time
in learning. This is reality today; things might have been a little
different 10-20 years ago in C/C++ era. We're no longer there.
Jari
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-03-29 9:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-23 23:00 Transient Mark Mode on by default Chong Yidong
2008-03-24 10:15 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-03-24 11:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-24 13:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-24 13:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-03-24 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-24 15:05 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-24 15:15 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-24 20:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-24 20:32 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-24 21:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-25 18:31 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30 19:19 ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-30 19:34 ` Peter Danenberg
2008-03-30 19:42 ` paul r
2008-03-30 19:47 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 20:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-30 20:29 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 20:37 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-31 3:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-31 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-31 9:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-31 9:18 ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-30 21:51 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-30 22:16 ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-31 7:46 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-31 8:00 ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-31 8:07 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 19:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 20:29 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-30 22:42 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-30 23:11 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-30 23:50 ` William Xu
2008-03-31 3:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-31 3:36 ` William Xu
2008-03-31 16:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-31 18:08 ` Thomas Lord
2008-04-01 0:20 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-01 0:40 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-01 1:24 ` Thomas Lord
2008-04-01 1:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-01 6:14 ` David Kastrup
2008-04-01 21:34 ` Chong Yidong
2008-04-02 13:53 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-02 16:27 ` Chong Yidong
2008-04-02 17:34 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-02 18:05 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-02 22:07 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-02 20:27 ` Chong Yidong
2008-04-02 21:29 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-06 10:09 ` cua-selection-mode by default (was: Transient Mark Mode on by default) David Kastrup
2008-04-01 21:04 ` Transient Mark Mode on by default Richard Stallman
2008-04-01 21:05 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-01 21:53 ` Thomas Lord
2008-04-02 7:45 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-24 22:34 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 1:45 ` Bastien
2008-03-25 1:41 ` Bastien
2008-03-24 17:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-24 19:54 ` paul r
2008-03-24 20:36 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-24 20:57 ` paul r
2008-03-24 21:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-24 21:42 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-24 21:23 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-29 9:18 ` Jari Aalto
2008-03-24 22:28 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-03-24 23:01 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-24 23:11 ` paul r
2008-03-24 23:34 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-24 23:44 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-24 23:57 ` paul r
2008-03-25 1:54 ` Bastien
2008-03-25 11:25 ` paul r
2008-03-25 23:49 ` Bastien
2008-03-26 8:49 ` paul r
2008-03-24 22:15 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on by default] Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-24 22:47 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Drew Adams
2008-03-24 23:29 ` paul r
2008-03-24 23:33 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 7:37 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-25 2:06 ` Honoring traditional defaults Bastien
2008-03-25 2:23 ` Bastien
2008-03-25 3:00 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-25 5:23 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-25 7:21 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode onbydefault] Drew Adams
2008-03-25 19:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-25 21:38 ` Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-25 21:42 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 22:26 ` Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient MarkMode " Drew Adams
2008-03-25 23:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-26 1:49 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-25 22:28 ` Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient Mark Mode " paul r
2008-03-25 23:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-31 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-31 21:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-02 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-02 11:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-31 22:06 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-24 23:22 ` Honoring traditional defaults Sascha Wilde
2008-03-24 23:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 12:23 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-03-25 5:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-25 0:12 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on by default] Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 20:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-25 21:00 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 1:55 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-26 7:01 ` Transient Mark Mode on by default Drew Adams
2008-03-26 6:54 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on by default] Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-29 9:52 ` Jari Aalto [this message]
2008-03-24 18:40 ` Transient Mark Mode on by default Sascha Wilde
2008-03-24 19:09 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-24 20:16 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-03-24 20:40 ` paul r
2008-03-24 20:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 3:21 ` Evans Winner
2008-03-24 20:46 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-24 21:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-25 0:29 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 0:38 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 8:16 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-24 22:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-25 0:07 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25 4:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-25 7:07 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 7:23 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 13:24 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 13:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-25 14:19 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-26 4:47 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 2:53 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-27 14:08 ` paul r
2008-03-25 7:14 ` Jan Djärv
2008-03-25 12:37 ` René Kyllingstad
2008-03-24 22:10 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-24 23:44 ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-25 0:39 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-25 1:17 ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-25 3:07 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 7:07 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 8:28 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-25 21:01 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-26 0:50 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-25 2:12 ` Bastien
2008-03-25 2:50 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-29 9:01 ` Jari Aalto
2008-03-31 22:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-01 0:14 ` Sebastian Rose
2008-04-01 1:09 ` Mike Mattie
2008-04-01 1:16 ` Mike Mattie
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