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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Tom <adatgyujto@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr]
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:24:08 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3a96aa32-0f21-4ede-97a0-f57b0bc21661@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140109T200413-867@post.gmane.org>

> Arbitrary roadblocks can be removed, though.

I said as much:

  Gratuitous differences in terminology for identical things
  are something else.  But (a) that is rare (the Emacs thingies
  are not really the same), and (b) even then it is not
  important to toe the line.  Especially if the things are
  identical, it is easy to learn new terms for them.

IOW, the truly arbitrary differences are rare and not a problem.
Learning Emacs is hard, but not because of them.
 
> For example, yank is not a superior term to paste, so paste could be
> used instead. One unnecessary difference less. And it is only one
> example, there are others.
> 
> Emacs provides enough material to learn without these arbitrary
> (legacy) differences, so these should be eliminated where possible.

To repeat (you might want to read the thread):

  Examples of exceptional things that are identical in Emacs,
  or nearly so, are "cut" and "paste" operations.  And as
  others have already said, it is enough to point out the
  Emacs terminology and the correspondences (when there are
  close correspondences and not just faux amis) - which we
  already do, AFAIK.

We already make clear in the menus and doc that "yank" means
something very similar to "paste".

And (to repeat, again) far more importantly: this is NOT a
point of "confusion" for newbies.

Initial ignorance, yes. But the slightest contact with the
Emacs docs or google or a quick Q & A has always been enough to
let newbies know what "yank" means.  I have never seen anyone
become "confused" after they were introduced to the term "yank".

This is simply a non-problem.  But it gets rehashed here every
so often.

NOT because newbies say they are confused and don't get it.
But only because some well meaning soles here get the bright
idea that this must be confusing to new arrivals and that if
this important obstacle were removed then Emacs would have a
brighter future.

This essentially short-sells newbies, and touches on demagogy.
_You_ learned "yank".  Did you stay up at night in turmoil,
trying to grasp its meaning?  No.  Don't you think that other
newbies are just as bright as you were?  Please, think about it.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-09 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 403+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-02  9:53 bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 11:52 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-02 12:20   ` Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 12:28     ` Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 13:05     ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-02 13:29       ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 18:15   ` James Cloos
2014-01-02 22:27     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-02 23:57       ` James Cloos
2014-01-03  0:05         ` James Cloos
2014-01-03  9:57         ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-03  6:15       ` joakim
2014-01-03  9:05         ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-03 11:11           ` joakim
2014-01-04  2:14   ` Samuel Bronson
2014-01-05  7:11     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-05 16:13       ` "No safeguard against rewriting upstream bzr history" (was: bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move) Joshua Judson Rosen
2014-01-05 18:29         ` "No safeguard against rewriting upstream bzr history" Glenn Morris
2014-01-05 18:38         ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2014-01-06  9:00           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-02 12:30 ` bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 13:08   ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-02 15:04 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-02 15:41   ` PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req Karl Fogel
2014-01-02 15:56     ` Bastien
2014-01-02 16:12       ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-01-02 16:29         ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-02 17:10       ` Jose E. Marchesi
2014-01-02 18:26       ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-02 21:30       ` Mitchel Humpherys
2014-01-02 22:19         ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-01-02 16:29     ` Fabián Ezequiel Gallina
2014-01-02 16:39     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 16:44       ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 16:57         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 17:00           ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 17:14             ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 17:27               ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 18:06                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 18:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 18:28                     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 18:25                   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 17:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 17:28       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 17:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 18:34           ` Apologia for bzr Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 20:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 20:51               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 21:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 21:15                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-03  7:47                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 11:11                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-03 11:46                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 11:55                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-02 21:31                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-02 21:14               ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03  8:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03  9:21                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-03 10:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 10:29                     ` vc.el support for staging hunks/files João Távora
2014-01-09 17:49                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2014-01-03 20:34                   ` Apologia for bzr Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-03 21:07                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04  5:01                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 10:10                         ` Florian Weimer
2020-10-29  7:11                     ` Drew Adams
2020-10-30  7:35                       ` glossary terms linked Jean Louis
2014-01-03 14:37                 ` Apologia for bzr Richard Stallman
2014-01-03 15:21                   ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-04  7:59                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-04  8:28                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-04 12:09                         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-04 15:44                           ` Tom
2014-01-04 19:00                             ` David Kastrup
2014-01-04 19:38                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-04 22:09                                 ` Apologia for CUA mode Christophe Poncy
2014-01-04 23:39                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-04 19:39                               ` CUA mode??? Joshua Judson Rosen
2014-01-04 23:38                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 23:15                                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2014-01-06  1:34                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-04 20:48                               ` Apologia for bzr Tom
2014-01-04 21:55                             ` Apologia for CUA mode (was: Apologia for bzr) Christophe Poncy
2014-01-05 10:03                           ` Apologia for bzr Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 11:52                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-05 18:14                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 14:27                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 15:27                               ` David Kastrup
2014-01-05 15:56                                 ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-01-05 20:20                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-05 20:35                           ` Gabriel Beauchamp
2014-01-06  4:07                             ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-05 20:41                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 21:31                             ` Tom
2014-01-06 14:00                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-06 14:29                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-06 15:14                                 ` John Yates
2014-01-06 20:27                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-06 20:32                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-06 23:43                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-06 23:50                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07  0:02                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07  8:27                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-07  6:05                                     ` Christophe Poncy
2014-01-07 16:53                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-07  0:12                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07  6:21                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-01-07  7:30                                       ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Drew Adams
2014-01-07 10:30                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 18:05                                           ` Joel Mccracken
2014-01-07 19:06                                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 19:17                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 19:56                                               ` David Reitter
2014-01-07 20:31                                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 20:42                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-10  2:12                                                   ` David Reitter
2014-01-10 19:10                                                     ` Tom
2014-01-07 19:37                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 19:50                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 22:24                                               ` Great Old One? Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08  1:20                                                 ` Bob Bobeck
2014-01-08 17:24                                                   ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2014-01-08  2:19                                                 ` Jay Belanger
2014-01-08  4:55                                                   ` Joel Mccracken
2014-01-08  3:41                                               ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Richard Stallman
2014-01-08  4:14                                                 ` Bob Bobeck
2014-01-07 11:13                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-07 11:27                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 12:13                                             ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-07 14:07                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-07 14:16                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 10:30                                       ` Apologia for bzr Jose E. Marchesi
2014-01-09 14:10                                         ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-09 14:48                                           ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Drew Adams
2014-01-09 15:21                                             ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-09 16:44                                               ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 17:27                                                 ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-09 17:42                                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-01-09 19:11                                                     ` Tom
2014-01-09 19:38                                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-01-10 18:10                                                         ` Davis Herring
2014-01-10 18:12                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-01-09 22:24                                                       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2014-01-10 14:37                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-17 23:13                                                       ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-17 23:38                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18  0:11                                                         ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Glenn Morris
2014-01-18  1:47                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18  1:59                                                             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-18  2:59                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18  3:02                                                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-18  8:34                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18  8:53                                                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-18 10:45                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18  8:55                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 10:52                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18 11:01                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 11:53                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18  8:35                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18  8:48                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18 12:34                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-18  8:28                                                         ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18  8:48                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18 10:02                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 11:03                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18 11:32                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 13:13                                                                   ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2014-01-18 16:24                                                                     ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-18 17:46                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 18:55                                                                         ` Sven Axelsson
2014-01-18 19:10                                                                           ` Tom
2014-01-18 20:57                                                                           ` chad
2014-01-18 17:22                                                                     ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Tom
2014-01-18 16:28                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-18 17:55                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-19  0:59                                                                   ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20  3:01                                                                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2014-01-19 12:10                                                             ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Richard Stallman
2014-01-19 12:21                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-20 12:22                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2014-01-20 14:06                                                               ` New tutorial (was: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr]) Stefan Monnier
2014-01-20 15:24                                                               ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-20 16:54                                                               ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Glenn Morris
2014-01-20 18:00                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-21 11:39                                                                   ` New tutorial (was: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr]) Phillip Lord
2014-01-21 11:19                                                                 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Phillip Lord
2014-01-07  6:22                                     ` Apologia for bzr Christophe Poncy
2014-01-07  6:41                                       ` joakim
2014-01-06 20:27                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-07  6:03                                 ` Christophe Poncy
2014-01-06 14:55                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07  5:58                               ` Christophe Poncy
2014-01-05 20:56                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-05 21:58                             ` Florian Weimer
2014-01-05 22:13                               ` chad
2014-01-05 22:25                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 23:01                                   ` chad
2014-01-06  2:32                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 22:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 14:09                                   ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2014-01-06 14:54                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 14:56                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07  6:00                                     ` Christophe Poncy
2014-01-05 23:41                             ` James Cloos
2014-01-06  0:27                               ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-06  0:35                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-06  0:45                               ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06  1:52                                 ` Eric Brown
2014-01-06  2:08                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06  4:27                                 ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-06  7:18                                   ` Michael Albinus
2014-01-06  7:32                                   ` chad
2014-01-06 15:40                                 ` James Cloos
2014-01-06 18:47                             ` Eric Brown
2014-01-09 20:30                             ` Rogerio Senna
2014-01-09 22:05                               ` Drew Adams
2014-01-03  9:44               ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-03 10:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 10:56                   ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-01-03 11:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 11:49                       ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-01-03 13:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:37                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 15:06                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 15:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 13:49                   ` Leo Liu
2014-01-03 14:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 15:12                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 17:48                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-03 19:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 19:49                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 20:27                         ` David Kastrup
2014-01-03 20:39                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-03 20:54                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-04  4:06                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04  2:00                         ` Josh
2014-01-03 17:45                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-03 17:56                       ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-03 18:04                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 18:21                           ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-03 19:52                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 20:17                               ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-04 10:01                               ` David Engster
2014-01-04 19:53                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 19:19                           ` chad
2014-01-03 18:05                         ` David Engster
2014-01-04 13:08                         ` Bastien
2014-01-03 16:57                   ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-03 20:02                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-03 20:13                       ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-03 20:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 20:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 20:50                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 21:10                       ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-02 18:40           ` PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 20:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 21:22               ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03  7:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 14:53                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 15:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 15:32                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 15:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 16:28                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 20:12                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 20:37                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 21:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 21:38                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-04  7:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 17:30                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-04 19:58                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:19                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-04 20:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:47                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-04 21:07                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 21:00                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2014-01-03 21:18                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-02 18:02         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 17:54         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-02 19:48       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-02 19:51         ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-02 21:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-02 21:53             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2014-01-02 22:59               ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-03  2:46               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-02 20:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03  6:33           ` joakim
2014-01-03  8:10             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 11:14             ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-03 13:01               ` Bastien
2014-01-03 13:46                 ` David Engster
2014-01-03 14:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 15:19                   ` Tom
2014-01-03 16:18                     ` David Engster
2014-01-03 17:29                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-03 14:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 14:24                   ` Bastien
2014-01-03 17:32                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-03 14:36                   ` Antonio Nikishaev
2014-01-03 20:15                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05  4:49                       ` Barry Warsaw
2014-01-03 17:22                   ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-03 14:54                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 17:12                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 17:25                     ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-02 22:31       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-01-03 17:09         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 17:50           ` David Engster
2014-01-02 17:17     ` Christoph
2014-01-02 18:05     ` Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 19:05     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-02 20:49       ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-02 22:54     ` Michael Albinus
2014-01-02 23:32     ` Xue Fuqiao
2014-01-02 23:55     ` Stephen Eglen
2014-01-03  5:27       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-03  7:39         ` Michael Albinus
2014-01-03  9:07           ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-03  9:19             ` Bastien
2014-01-03  9:17           ` Bastien
2014-01-03  9:35             ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-03  9:53               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-03 10:27                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 17:26                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-03 10:05               ` Bastien
2014-01-03 10:08             ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-03  9:31           ` Generating ChangeLog files Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-03 10:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 18:09               ` Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-03 18:41                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-03 20:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04  3:49                     ` Kenichi Handa
2014-01-04  4:28                       ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-05  5:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-04  7:31                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 14:48           ` PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04  9:42             ` Bastien
2014-01-04 12:49               ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 12:58                 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 13:15                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 13:20                     ` Bastien
2014-01-04 20:07                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 10:14               ` Florian Weimer
2014-01-03 17:50         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-04  8:00           ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-04  9:44             ` Bastien
2014-01-04  9:57               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-04  9:58               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-01-04 11:31               ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-04 13:01                 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 13:03                 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-04 13:11                   ` Bastien
2014-01-04 13:15                     ` David Kastrup
2014-01-04 13:27                       ` Bastien
2014-01-09 14:34                         ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-09 14:49                           ` David Kastrup
2014-01-09 16:56                           ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-04 13:07               ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 20:03                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-04 20:12                   ` Jarek Czekalski
2014-01-04 20:37                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 20:53                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-04 21:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 21:38                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-05  2:17                         ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-01-05  5:17                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05  8:39                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-04 20:04                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04 20:22                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 21:06                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05  8:34                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 16:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-06  3:40                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 17:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06  3:44                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-06  4:32                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06  7:10                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-06 14:53                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 20:20               ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-05 23:58                 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06  0:26                   ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-06  3:47                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06  3:59                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-06  6:58                 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 10:29             ` David Kastrup
2014-01-05 10:25             ` Florian Weimer
2014-01-05 20:23               ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-05 20:43                 ` Florian Weimer
2014-01-06 14:00                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-06 14:53                     ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 16:09                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-06 17:57                         ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2014-01-06 18:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-06 18:07                         ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 18:21                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07 19:17                         ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 19:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07 20:24                           ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-02 16:12   ` bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 17:53 ` Sam Steingold
2014-01-02 18:03   ` Samuel El-Borai
2014-01-03 20:03 ` David Reitter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-01-18 16:38 Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] grischka
2014-01-18 17:26 ` David Kastrup

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