From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: doc elisp intro cross reference fixes Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:18:12 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3FBD2184.6070407@yahoo.com> References: <200311190418.hAJ4ITC02466@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200311190528.hAJ5SrK02553@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <3FBBD155.2050703@yahoo.com> <200311192348.hAJNm0106860@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <20031119235635.GA9969@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069361681 22302 80.91.224.253 (20 Nov 2003 20:54:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 20 21:54:38 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMvp0-0006Xi-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:54:38 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMvoz-0001dT-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:54:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMwh2-0001E9-5p for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:50:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AMwgj-0001Aw-T7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:50:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AMwHU-0002yo-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:24:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMwFZ-0001kB-Id for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:22:05 -0500 Original-Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMvI6-0002QI-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:20:38 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from sea.gmane.org ([80.91.224.252]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMvFc-0002OK-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:18:04 +0100 Original-Received: from news by sea.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMvFc-0004Q0-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:18:04 +0100 Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020406 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17983 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17983 Miles Bader wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:48:00PM -0600, Luc Teirlinck wrote: > >>But there is an "inconsistency" regardless of the `*' or no `*' stuff. >>There are plenty of variables with :set functions for which M-x >>customize-variable is going to have an effect and M-x set-variable is >>not. Having the desired effect or not having any effect whatsoever >>can hardly be described as a "very faint distinction". > > This seems more like an argument for changing the way `set-variable' works > (to essentially use customize's method of setting). I'm disappointed that's the way things appear to be headed. > I think having two sorts of `user variables' (`*' variables and `customize' > variables) is confusing and unnecessary. I find more users who are confused that they can setq some variables in their emacs (and get the desired effects), but can't M-x set-variable them. But no one has argued that we should get rid of the special meaning of * in defvar doc strings. -- Kevin Rodgers