From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Daniel B." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up? Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:15:29 -0400 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3F85A5C1.6E3BCAAB@smart.net> References: <1c58a7c3.0310010003.78c0fa00@posting.google.com> <871xtoc2o0.fsf@verizon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1065723481 17782 80.91.224.253 (9 Oct 2003 18:18:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 09 20:17:58 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A7fMM-0000HT-00 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:17:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7fL8-0000Dp-69 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:16:42 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A7fKs-0000Da-2X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:16:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A7fKK-00008o-VP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:16:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [205.197.48.109] (helo=gemini.smart.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7fKK-00008O-HP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:15:52 -0400 Original-Received: from smart.net (IDENT:501@dsb.smart.net [216.253.158.43]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06559; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:15:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18+dsb+smp+ide i686) X-Accept-Language: en X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by gemini.smart.net id OAA06559 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:13096 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:13096 Oliver Scholz wrote: >=20 > Stefan Monnier writes: >=20 > ... >=20 > As for the telepathy-UI new in the CVS version, I am not sure whether > it is worth the trouble. Last time I tried it, I found myself > constantly misthinking. It only works for me if I concentrate hard > enough not to think about anything =E2??wrong=E2??. But as soon as I le= t my > thoughts a little bit wander ... And even if I concentrate very hard, > I don't have the necessary fine control yet. In general I have to use > undo most of the time. On the slightly serious side, that relates to something I've always wondered: =20 When someday we can read brainwaves and thoughts enough to control=20 external devices, how hard will it be to distinguish between thoughts=20 about doing something and the decision to actually do it? On keyboards, or driving a car, you can have impulses and partial=20 movement that happens but doesn't affect anything as long as it doesn't exceed some threshold (e.g., the distance between your finger and the key, or the level of pressure at which the key or gas pedal activates). We probably learn where that threshold is, and make sure accepted impulses exceed the threshold and make sure unconfirmed=20 impulses stay below that threshold. I wonder if reading thoughts would work similarly. Might it be that if you think in passing about typing a space, nothing happens, but if you really dwell on it (e.g., fantasize about it), a space would get entered? > I think this is a general problem with this sort of UI. It only works > right, when you learn to use your editor as some sort of > extra-limb.=20 Actually, I already feel that Emacs _is_ my connection (like a limb)=20 between my brain (and what I want to do with the text) and the text=20 on the screen. When the Control key isn't in the right place, or when I have to use a an editor like Notepad, I feel like I'm editing with gloves on. When I have to edit with vi (at which I'm very slow since I barely know=20 it), it's almost like boxing gloves. Daniel --=20 Daniel Barclay dsb@smart.net