From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1169: 23.0.60; (substitute-command-keys "\\{...}") adds extra newline Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3F0F6108342A491D8097ADC015A4D2E9@us.oracle.com> References: <004801c92e4e$9b8018c0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><51B66F0CCAE145448298FC161B6BA8BE@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310066126 24851 80.91.229.12 (7 Jul 2011 19:15:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 19:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1169@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 21:15:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qeu2f-0007qP-7t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:15:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59431 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qeu2d-0001kC-QW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:15:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:48383) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QesjB-0000Il-7W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:51:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qesj9-0002ba-2k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:51:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:53330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qesj8-0002bV-NQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qesj7-0000Hv-Tu; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:51:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 17:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1169 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1169-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1169.13100610381077 (code B ref 1169); Thu, 07 Jul 2011 17:51:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1169) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2011 17:50:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qesik-0000HK-5O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qesii-0000H8-6O for 1169@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:50:37 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p67HoSuA013613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:50:29 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p67HoRi1009229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:50:27 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt104.oracle.com (abhmt104.oracle.com [141.146.116.56]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p67HoMfx011527; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 12:50:22 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 10:50:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw8y/Ob71Oz+RbNRMy7LOHFIV6QlAAAKRtg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4E15F1E6.000A:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:51:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:48198 Archived-At: > >> I'd rather get rid of the ^L characters, though. > >> Do they have any purpose any more? > > > > No, no, no. > > Yes, of course they serve a purpose - more than one purpose. > > See `(emacs) Pages', to start with. > > I know what they do, but is there any point in actually inserting > something as visually distracting as ^L into the buffer people are > looking at? > > If one, for instance, just made the ^L invisible, it'd look nicer, and > there would be minimal code change. > > A better solution would probably to get rid of it altogether and > instead insert a `form-feed' text property that the `C-x [' (and friends) > command would use instead. 1. If you want to propose an Emacs design change, then please propose it to emacs-devel, for discussion. This is not the place. 2. The presence and purpose of ^L are one thing. The appearance is something else. Wrt #2, I use (and I proposed to Emacs Dev) pp-c-l.el, which lets users customize the appearance of a page break to virtually anything they like. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/pp-c-l.el - code http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/PrettyControlL - description