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From: Fery <engard.ferenc@innomed.hu>
Subject: problem with editing/decoding utf-8 text
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:08:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ECE0F57.7DFC8FE4@innomed.hu> (raw)

Hello there,

I have a UTF-8 text file, containing latin-1 text. When I try to edit it
with emacs, it does not detect that it is utf-8; the
describe-coding-system gives back 'iso-latin-1-unix'. (And I see the
two-byte representation of latin1 chars, which is not bad to me.)

When I save the buffer, it displays an error message:

These default coding systems were tried:
  iso-latin-1-unix
However, none of them safely encodes the target text.

Now, no matter what I choose (raw-text, no-conversion, utf-8), it
modifies all of the utf8 chars which are not fit into the ascii charset.
It seems, that it inserts a \201 before every char which is not in the
ascii charset. I.e. if I just load and save a file, emacs does not
behaves transparently.

Moreover, there is a BUG: if I press ^G at the error message above, and
quit without saving the file, it _deletes_ the file, although leaves an
auto-save file (where the latin1 chars are bad).

I have found one solution: opening the file with
universal-coding-system-argument, using even UTF-8 (then I see correctly
the chars, although it is not always important) or e.g. no-conversion.

My questions:

0. What is this \201 byte?

1. Cannot I tell to a buffer (after the load of a file) that interpet it
as binary, and save exactly the same bytes what it did read into the
buffer (i.e. transparent buffer)?

2. What is the difference between raw-text, no-conversion, binary? On
some places, I can choose any of them, on other places not... This whole
coding system is a nightmare... :(((

3. Cannot I tell to emacs that interpret the keyboard input as "raw"? I
have set input-meta to On, convert-meta to Off in .inputrc, and if I
could tell emacs that "just interpret the bytes from the terminal input
what they are", then I could copy/paste utf-8 data (in raw format) from
another application. (I run emacs on linux, with the 'putty' terminal on
windows).

GNU Emacs 21.3.2 on debian unstable linux.

Thanks:
Circum

             reply	other threads:[~2003-05-23 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-23 12:08 Fery [this message]
     [not found] <mailman.6635.1053692285.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-23 16:50 ` problem with editing/decoding utf-8 text Kai Großjohann
2003-05-23 19:23   ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-23 20:53     ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-23 21:20 ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-26  9:47 Fery
2003-05-26  9:47 Fery
2003-05-27  8:06 Fery
     [not found] <mailman.6770.1053942670.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-27 11:05 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-27 11:41   ` Oliver Scholz
     [not found] <mailman.6818.1054022957.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-27 11:10 ` Oliver Scholz
     [not found] ` <3ED37785.CA5A9AD5@innomed.hu>
     [not found]   ` <ubrxnb5m2.fsf@ID-87814.user.dfncis.de>
2003-05-30 12:45     ` Fery
     [not found]     ` <mailman.7046.1054298932.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-30 13:24       ` Kai Großjohann

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