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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321368 Archived-At: > On Jul 5, 2024, at 12:14 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > >>> This would probably solve performance issues you mention >>> and give you more useful diffs. >>> Your text insertions would also, with high probability, >>> start on line boundaries. > >> I'm on a mac, using soft linebreaks in emacs means >> I can cut & paste to other apps with expected results. > > I wonder about two questions: > > * What happens when other people edit or look at your code running > Emacs on GNU/Linux? > > * What happens when other people edit or look at your code using > other tools, not involving Emacs? In my original message I mentioned I was talking about prose which I typically edit in emacs in markdown-mode, not code. My code uses newlines same as on other platforms. My prose typically has no newlines within a paragraph. IME, most apps will wrap that the way visual-line-mode will in emacs. This message I wrote in macOS Mail.app and included (hard) newlines. Howard