* Re: Bulgarian language environment
[not found] ` <rzqr8p9gb8u.fsf@djlvig.dl.ac.uk>
@ 2002-11-04 20:39 ` Ognyan Kulev
2002-11-04 21:13 ` Ognyan Kulev
2002-11-06 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Ognyan Kulev @ 2002-11-04 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs
Dave Love wrote:
> > Ognyan Kulev writes:
> > Phonetic input method is the dominant in Bulgaria, but BDS
> > (Bulgarian Country Standard keyboard layout) is important too. BDS
> > is much more suited for fast typing and some people love it very
> > much.
>
> I guess you will have to sign a copyright assignment paper for that to
> be included in Emacs. I can change the default input method. It is
> currently cyrillic-translit-bulgarian, because that existed in Emacs
> 20 -- for Bulgarian when it's included.
I got a positive answer from copyright-clerk@fsf.org that my assignment
is delivered (finally).
> > As a bulgarian there are two points of interest:
>
> > 1. Using windows-1251 for loading and storing files/buffers.
> > 2. Using both bulgarian phonetic and bulgarian standard input
> > methods.
>
> Sure. [That's easy for languages generally, given tables for the
> charset and input methods as Unicode.]
>
> > (Probably as different language environments as i've done.)
>
> It isn't normal to provide environments for different input methods,
> but I don't think there's a good (obvious) way for users to customize
> language input methods. (Probably Custom could put something on the
> appropriate hook).
Here are URLs for reference:
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/bug-gnu-emacs/2001-December/thread.html#9313
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/bug-gnu-emacs/2002-January/thread.html#9497
There are no reported problems with bulgarian.el since then.
Regards
--
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""
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* Re: Bulgarian language environment
2002-11-04 20:39 ` Bulgarian language environment Ognyan Kulev
@ 2002-11-04 21:13 ` Ognyan Kulev
2002-11-06 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Ognyan Kulev @ 2002-11-04 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs
Ognyan Kulev wrote:
> I got a positive answer from copyright-clerk@fsf.org that my assignment
> is delivered (finally).
I just saw that the two input methods and the language environment are
already in CVS Emacs :-)
Regards
--
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""
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* Re: Bulgarian language environment
2002-11-04 20:39 ` Bulgarian language environment Ognyan Kulev
2002-11-04 21:13 ` Ognyan Kulev
@ 2002-11-06 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-06 6:06 ` Ognyan Kulev
2002-11-07 19:10 ` Dave Love
1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2002-11-06 4:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: d.love, emacs-devel
I got a positive answer from copyright-clerk@fsf.org that my assignment
is delivered (finally).
So, what should we now install?
I just saw that the two input methods and the language environment are
already in CVS Emacs :-)
Does this mean we installed your changes without getting the proper
papers? I don't see a bulgarian.el now.
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* Re: Bulgarian language environment
2002-11-06 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2002-11-06 6:06 ` Ognyan Kulev
2002-11-07 15:08 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-07 19:11 ` Dave Love
2002-11-07 19:10 ` Dave Love
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From: Ognyan Kulev @ 2002-11-06 6:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: d.love, emacs-devel
Richard Stallman wrote:
> I just saw that the two input methods and the language environment are
> already in CVS Emacs :-)
>
> Does this mean we installed your changes without getting the proper
> papers? I don't see a bulgarian.el now.
Bulgarian-bds input method is included in leim/quail/cyrillic.el[1] in
17 July. Copyright clerk wrote that the assignment is delivered in 31
May but I didn't know that it's delivered successfully till now.
The other input method (bulgarian-phonetic) seemed to clarify a previous
input method (bulgarian-pho)[2] and the language environment is not my
code I think (it's so simple that this doesn't matter).
I only wonder why the default input method is bulgarian-bds but not
bulgarian-phonetic. Although BDS is the bulgarian standard for
typewriters nobody uses it except if he/she used typewriter before or
have enough patience to learn it because the layout is optimized for
bulgarian. It has some fans though :-)
[1]
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/emacs/emacs/leim/quail/cyrillic.el.diff?r1=1.14&r2=1.15&diff_format=h
[2]
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/emacs/emacs/leim/quail/cyrillic.el.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13&diff_format=h
Regards
--
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""
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* Re: Bulgarian language environment
2002-11-06 6:06 ` Ognyan Kulev
@ 2002-11-07 15:08 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-07 19:11 ` Dave Love
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From: Richard Stallman @ 2002-11-07 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: d.love, emacs-devel
I only wonder why the default input method is bulgarian-bds but not
bulgarian-phonetic. Although BDS is the bulgarian standard for
typewriters nobody uses it except if he/she used typewriter before or
have enough patience to learn it because the layout is optimized for
bulgarian. It has some fans though :-)
You know better than we do what is good for Bulgarians.
Please send a patch you propose for us to install,
with a change log entry.
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* Re: Bulgarian language environment
2002-11-06 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-06 6:06 ` Ognyan Kulev
@ 2002-11-07 19:10 ` Dave Love
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From: Dave Love @ 2002-11-07 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ogi, emacs-devel
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> Does this mean we installed your changes without getting the proper
> papers?
I suspect not. There have been multiple Cyrillic contributions and I
derived some of them from X and Yudit maps once I knew what was
required. In most cases there is commentary in the source.
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* Re: Bulgarian language environment
2002-11-06 6:06 ` Ognyan Kulev
2002-11-07 15:08 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2002-11-07 19:11 ` Dave Love
2002-11-09 20:54 ` Ognyan Kulev
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Dave Love @ 2002-11-07 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: rms, emacs-devel
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg> writes:
> I only wonder why the default input method is bulgarian-bds but not
> bulgarian-phonetic.
I don't remember. It may have been suggested by another Cyrillic user
or it may be that it matches what xkb uses. I followed X in the
absence of any other information (though I don't actually understand
xkb, which seems to be basically undocumented).
If everyone agrees that bulgarian-phonetic is appropriate, it's fine
to change it. (I wonder why X uses the other one.)
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* Re: Bulgarian language environment
2002-11-07 19:11 ` Dave Love
@ 2002-11-09 20:54 ` Ognyan Kulev
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Ognyan Kulev @ 2002-11-09 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-devel
Dave Love wrote:
> If everyone agrees that bulgarian-phonetic is appropriate, it's fine
> to change it. (I wonder why X uses the other one.)
I talk with Anton Zinoviev (who influenced the choice of BDS in X) and
he said that people that use Phonetic are much more technically-oriented
and changing BDS to phonetic is not a problem for them. So better leave
BDS as default.
Regards
--
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""
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