Re: Bulgarian language environment

Re: Bulgarian language environment

[Ognyan Kulev]

Dave Love wrote:
> > Ognyan Kulev writes:
> > Phonetic input method is the dominant in Bulgaria, but BDS
> > (Bulgarian Country Standard keyboard layout) is important too.  BDS
> > is much more suited for fast typing and some people love it very
> > much.
> 
> I guess you will have to sign a copyright assignment paper for that to
> be included in Emacs.  I can change the default input method.  It is
> currently cyrillic-translit-bulgarian, because that existed in Emacs
> 20 -- for Bulgarian when it's included.

I got a positive answer from copyright-clerk@fsf.org that my assignment 
is delivered (finally).

>  > As a bulgarian there are two points of interest:
> 
>  > 1. Using windows-1251 for loading and storing files/buffers.
>  > 2. Using both bulgarian phonetic and bulgarian standard input
>  >    methods.
> 
> Sure.  [That's easy for languages generally, given tables for the
> charset and input methods as Unicode.]
> 
>  >     (Probably as different language environments as i've done.)
> 
> It isn't normal to provide environments for different input methods,
> but I don't think there's a good (obvious) way for users to customize
> language input methods.  (Probably Custom could put something on the
> appropriate hook).

Here are URLs for reference:
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/bug-gnu-emacs/2001-December/thread.html#9313
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/bug-gnu-emacs/2002-January/thread.html#9497

There are no reported problems with bulgarian.el since then.

Regards
-- 
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""

Re: Bulgarian language environment

[Ognyan Kulev]

Ognyan Kulev wrote:
> I got a positive answer from copyright-clerk@fsf.org that my assignment 
> is delivered (finally).

I just saw that the two input methods and the language environment are 
already in CVS Emacs :-)

Regards
-- 
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""

Re: Bulgarian language environment

[Richard Stallman]

    I got a positive answer from copyright-clerk@fsf.org that my assignment 
    is delivered (finally).

So, what should we now install?

    I just saw that the two input methods and the language environment are 
    already in CVS Emacs :-)

Does this mean we installed your changes without getting the proper
papers?  I don't see a bulgarian.el now.

Re: Bulgarian language environment

[Ognyan Kulev]

Richard Stallman wrote:
>     I just saw that the two input methods and the language environment are 
>     already in CVS Emacs :-)
> 
> Does this mean we installed your changes without getting the proper
> papers?  I don't see a bulgarian.el now.

Bulgarian-bds input method is included in leim/quail/cyrillic.el[1] in 
17 July.  Copyright clerk wrote that the assignment is delivered in 31 
May but I didn't know that it's delivered successfully till now.

The other input method (bulgarian-phonetic) seemed to clarify a previous 
input method (bulgarian-pho)[2] and the language environment is not my 
code I think (it's so simple that this doesn't matter).

I only wonder why the default input method is bulgarian-bds but not 
bulgarian-phonetic.  Although BDS is the bulgarian standard for 
typewriters nobody uses it except if he/she used typewriter before or 
have enough patience to learn it because the layout is optimized for 
bulgarian.  It has some fans though :-)

[1] 
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/emacs/emacs/leim/quail/cyrillic.el.diff?r1=1.14&r2=1.15&diff_format=h
[2] 
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/emacs/emacs/leim/quail/cyrillic.el.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13&diff_format=h

Regards
-- 
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""

Re: Bulgarian language environment

[Richard Stallman]

    I only wonder why the default input method is bulgarian-bds but not 
    bulgarian-phonetic.  Although BDS is the bulgarian standard for 
    typewriters nobody uses it except if he/she used typewriter before or 
    have enough patience to learn it because the layout is optimized for 
    bulgarian.  It has some fans though :-)

You know better than we do what is good for Bulgarians.
Please send a patch you propose for us to install,
with a change log entry.

Re: Bulgarian language environment

[Dave Love]

Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg> writes:

> I only wonder why the default input method is bulgarian-bds but not
> bulgarian-phonetic.

I don't remember.  It may have been suggested by another Cyrillic user
or it may be that it matches what xkb uses.  I followed X in the
absence of any other information (though I don't actually understand
xkb, which seems to be basically undocumented).

If everyone agrees that bulgarian-phonetic is appropriate, it's fine
to change it.  (I wonder why X uses the other one.)

Re: Bulgarian language environment

[Ognyan Kulev]

Dave Love wrote:
> If everyone agrees that bulgarian-phonetic is appropriate, it's fine
> to change it.  (I wonder why X uses the other one.)

I talk with Anton Zinoviev (who influenced the choice of BDS in X) and 
he said that people that use Phonetic are much more technically-oriented 
and changing BDS to phonetic is not a problem for them.  So better leave 
BDS as default.

Regards
-- 
Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""

Re: Bulgarian language environment

[Dave Love]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> Does this mean we installed your changes without getting the proper
> papers?

I suspect not.  There have been multiple Cyrillic contributions and I
derived some of them from X and Yudit maps once I knew what was
required.  In most cases there is commentary in the source.