From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 11:29:40 +0900 Message-ID: <3DB6E7C5-35E0-4EA4-B952-B6D56E4DCA3B@gmail.com> References: <20190218122758037230128@bob.proulx.com> <20190218134228038359383@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="26312"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Bob Proulx Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 19 06:08:09 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxdZ-0006kl-2z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:08:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41701 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxdY-0000m5-1Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:08:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38275) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxdC-0000kc-4V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:07:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxdA-0008R9-Q7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:07:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-x62a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::62a]:37093) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxdA-0008Mk-8A for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:07:44 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-x62a.google.com with SMTP id q3so2424360pll.4 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:07:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=P0SWMtUn4KYnE573VX7m3IXl0ZKUSJ51XdSKI1tC8js=; b=POIVnwiA6/NK0jbzp6Edi7dF09nxXdyS3nfUnjxI7mrfcvowiZUGuN1pDch3CRy8i4 pD9/0vxrXp2n4qgHs3HdHvNZTy13aMdG1Bp0ddGC8MqGxJahqoIFHd6nAMmtML3JLQur /XDnHPDZtzkidRGb03wdwpFI+hog1NlcKbk3jK0HR1bteAhwWA+iC+/R6yLx9tHcnzS2 aaR+ATuHoXaNk5IEWJOlaEhhWmfKV2TYRvYubD2R81syHbKUht4bLDCQZ4GXbmbQ/1qW drA7KCe5ck8hCuuSQpd+250Ja8ZdOl5YTqRAwBNBx9L+/OSffA5LcLQiWcis29BrYYON 0/UQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=P0SWMtUn4KYnE573VX7m3IXl0ZKUSJ51XdSKI1tC8js=; b=FG4NfTEkdKpleNxZ/ZRDKXFL7JQE3LSJVvldjg83m/dtYX8evh6U36+kTQKkMSF6A5 qbIj9hNPhe/QxagRPe2J3DF4nJb9QVm7MuzHimhHiNmLaR3RirewWUgu0dRdst+A4zZK HIKSZ06uq2Hwq3/pKM9hj9hPjCM/AWuKRo7Wj1Y4qIq8zF5PuNmm/gQrR/1ao48GSxGC Vr0zvFP/LmYDWoRpyL+74Gu20LcATt4YhQpLl5h+kKRp1dWgGaphJ4eAhjRTYgKBQv1G JpSZ7C+pSdoD/a+1KqcaQJsRnecYWI8FIKTCyFQKHHvQdM3En/huNbQ73Qpw8a0uIyAv DuhA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuYmt8fuV56cL3o8H67Hb3RUBl23ReP/eZbU//Fo+kekmDFTe4/A JfpywB3ZYqX1jVRWQTEZH8Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IZW4qdTYMuyxZLob057z3EAwFY/b6b2UGZ6saG03e9u6yqkgh/Ncf6dtJbX9Ht5PZxAV855dQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:2ac3:: with SMTP id j61mr29086240plb.185.1550552859706; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:07:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.4] (opt-183-176-139-235.client.pikara.ne.jp. [183.176.139.235]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v6sm15571542pfb.149.2019.02.18.21.07.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:07:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20190218134228038359383@bob.proulx.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::62a X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119457 Archived-At: > On Feb 19, 2019, at 5:56, Bob Proulx wrote: >=20 >> I don't think laziness stops at the gmail.com = boundary. ;-) >=20 > Agreed! It was Gmail just recently but people are people everywhere! There may be laziness, but also a lot of discoverability and basic = knowledge issues. I don't think most modern mail users know that = unsubscribe information is given in the list mail header. Also, in = "modern" mail clients there is no practical way to see that information = (why would people want to check the source of a message ?) But I do understand this comment is slightly besides the point. :) Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune