From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: bug#10385: e binding in info-mode Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:03:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3D4EE65ECFA64F7C8CDEFF55A750E37C@us.oracle.com> References: <201112272237.pBRMbo8C022896@freefriends.org><62fwftxnbz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org><83fwfsoluz.fsf@gnu.org><871urckv7k.fsf@mail.jurta.org><962D35497CE84D16B1B5F7AA509BFB59@us.oracle.com><878vljchjo.fsf@mail.jurta.org><76BD385B7317495CAE8E5EBFE545A1BB@us.oracle.com><87d3av9khw.fsf@mail.jurta.org><87ipkn6poj.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1326006219 703 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2012 07:03:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 07:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 08 08:03:35 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjmmy-0005hi-IH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:03:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56788 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjmmy-0002Sb-5R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:03:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39625) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjmmu-0002SK-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:03:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjmmt-0001Iy-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:03:28 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:61913) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjmmr-0001Im-Cq; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:03:25 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id q0873ONW030689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2012 07:03:24 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q0873N10023949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Jan 2012 07:03:23 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q0873NXl010743; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 01:03:23 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.35.13) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 23:03:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AczNx8e660DfAzoQQWqcSvUlu5quKQABAzCQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4F093FBC.005D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147478 Archived-At: > I have considered Info-edit obsolete ever since we had Texinfo. If you don't tell the users that something is deprecated/obsolete, then such interior consideration doesn't mean much. It makes sense to let users know what to expect in terms of support etc. And that is pretty typical. > Info has existed since 1976 or so, in the original Emacs. At that > time, Info files were written by hand, and everyone could edit system > files on ITS. Thus, Info-edit was useful there. > > When I implemented info in GNU Emacs, I wrote Info-edit there too. > Then I implemented Texinfo to format the Emacs manual. This made > Info-edit useless when Texinfo is in use -- which ought to be always. Dunno why it "ought" to be. But I won't argue the point. (But see my other reply.) > Meanwhile, ordinary users can't edit the installed Info files anyway. Why not? What prevents them? > So Info-edit is basically useless. So you could have deprecated it, uh, let's see, about 30 years ago, and you've known that for that time. Apparently there has been no hurry. ;-) Might as well deprecate it now and desupport it in Emacs 24.2 (or 29.3), I guess.