From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chuck Bernard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: fringes Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:35:16 -0700 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <3CE53F54.48199AF7@lvision.com> References: <72A87F7160C0994D8C5A36E2FDC227F501FB5475@txnexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021656986 12247 127.0.0.1 (17 May 2002 17:36:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 178leT-0003BQ-00 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:36:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178leK-0000wv-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:36:16 -0400 Original-Received: from lvision8.logicvision.com ([209.1.81.20] helo=cujo.lvision.com) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178ldS-0000sz-00 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:35:22 -0400 Original-Received: from dogbert.lvision.com (root@localhost) by cujo.lvision.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18714 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from lvision.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogbert.lvision.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05154 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Original-To: emacs list Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:320 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:320 "Bingham, Jay" wrote: > A discussion about turning the fringes off did occur shortly after version 21.1 was released, if it was not in this list then it was in the help-emacs-windows list. (Sorry for pointing you to the wrong archive, since I am subscribed to both lists it is sometimes hard to remember which list a discussion occurred in when a topic that pertains to any implementation of emacs is discussed in the emacs windows list). > > I can assure you that you are not the only one who is annoyed by them, nor are you the only one who is disappointed that they can't be turned off. Good, then I'm not alone :-) In my opinion, one of the best things about emacs is that people contribute new functions or features all of the time. However, "THE" best thing is that the rest of us can either use them or disable them. Fringes seem to fly in the face of the greatest strengths of emacs in that you are forced to have them whether you like them or not. Toolbars and fringes are nice things to have for beginners but once you get use to the tool it is best to take off those training wheels and become truly efficient. Sorry for venting... Thanks for listening. I feel better already :-) //Chuck