From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Mattias_Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: whitespace-only changes Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:04:49 +0200 Message-ID: <3C3496F4-1496-4449-9508-6C2B7E7FD1E8@acm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25839"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 20 10:05:46 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k8fZx-0006dd-IB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:05:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57556 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k8fZw-0003wW-LD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:05:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k8fZH-0003Tr-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail204c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.10.214]:56378 helo=mail193c50.megamailservers.eu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k8fZC-0001Y8-Fx; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:05:03 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1597910692; bh=LZ1J0FvsyoqmWWuoMzbfnK7LFO7elcZKNURFVC5jaMg=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=rDzK2f6E6HYCc21r7GXguMRyyS8lNwEtxFvxZUFKiVZx6qJ0+AMLyyCCdx7LvJV+O fnhoDFSERqhGZ7ouwh0ogs6hR7a8Ew0ELNtStxLByDilOrV2Vu6oKQLyL0QASKQyNr CX7o1u/gSXJFi9zKV9B8UtLzzqDH2/PmJBg8ROmU= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.comhem.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail193c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 07K84oIq014705; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:04:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F1C.5F3E2EA4.007E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=cM2eTWWN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=hy5kblU5C40z4vjN5XEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_FVE-zBwftR9WsbkzFJk:22 X-Origin-Country: SE Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=91.136.10.214; envelope-from=mattiase@acm.org; helo=mail193c50.megamailservers.eu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/20 04:04:53 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254046 Archived-At: 20 aug. 2020 kl. 05.06 skrev Richard Stallman : > I am sure he knows what he's talking about, but it is unfortunate that > we cannot fix bad indentation. Can't we correct this problem somehow? At the very least we should always accept correction of misleading = indentation. That is not noise, but fully equivalent to fixing wrong = comments or bad naming, neither of which change the program as seen by = the machine but do alter it in human eyes. At the other end of the scale, I definitely share Lars's dim view of = invisible changes (trimming end-of-line whitespace or transmuting tabs = into spaces).