From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:59:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3ABEA99EB2CE4BC5869AF307A654F48C@us.oracle.com> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com><7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com><23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi><23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi><39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov><48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov><66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243216748 14808 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 01:59:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Leo' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Chong Yidong'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 03:59:01 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8PSv-0000vA-1A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:59:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50400 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8PSu-00010y-E1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:59:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8PSp-00010j-Qg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:58:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8PSl-00010M-CF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:58:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39677 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8PSl-00010I-33 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:58:51 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:23228) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8PSk-0008DD-F6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:58:50 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4P1xLHv016715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 May 2009 01:59:22 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com (abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4P1xUaG005716; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:59:31 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:58:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Thread-Index: Acnc1Kz5ECoqkN8aRTemp2Ptofb7JAABcoMw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010207.4A19FB55.013D:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111056 Archived-At: > >> I see no new points on either side of the debate. > > > > What's new is that you have changed the *default value*. > > This was done in July 2008 So what? We're talking about what is new for Emacs 23. Every change since Emacs 22 is new, regardless of how long ago it was first implemented. In this case, Emacs 23 has changed the default behavior from what it has always been. And this feature, and even this option, have been modified throughout the development period. The last change to this option was made just 4 weeks ago. Please don't try to paint this as some long-standing tradition or inscription in marble that it is too late to change. Emacs 23 has not even been released yet. Many of us have still not had the chance to exercise much of it.