From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 15:44:15 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3AA11AB6-0FE8-44CF-8261-024F4C86BBD3@gnu.support> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zh5hx5qf.fsf@gnu.org>
Configuration wizard is good for database setup, or network related setups, and situations where software as such is not usable without configuring it. Key me mention email software, it would be good to have such wizard for email or Gnus within Emacs. For connection to PostgreSQL it would be good as it would ask user fit username, hostname, ports, etc. For Tramp or for setting up some list of Tramp servers with some usernames and passwords it would make sense.
Emacs as such is usable without any configuration, thus wizard would do nothing good but irritate Emacs users, in my opinion, it would be programmer's capricious control over users, to force them to configure Emacs.
If beginner is considered new user, why a person new to Emacs should be forced to configure Emacs?! Especially if software functions as it is without any configuration. It is waste of time and would bring beginners into new misunderstandings.
To include some general AI audio-video interactive assistant that helps with any function in Emacs, within Tutorial or outside, or to improve present describe- functions would be good, but not as force at first run.
In general it is bad to change the long standing policy that user need not have .emacs configuration, or to force the user to have such, and to undermine and tell the user and Emacs that such cannot be used without configuration.
Even worse is changing the established policy that Emacs launched without .emacs is run by beginners. Why would authors need to make such assumptions?
Is it established in the editor software in the world that if there is no editor configuration that user is beginner who need teaching on how to configure software that functions anyway fine without being configured? I don't think so and it is not logical.
We empower users by bringing better understanding to them and wizard idea is one such attempt, I just don't agree that it should be forced onto user by assuming that user is beginner who needs teaching if that person does not have Emacs configuration.
And myself I have used Emacs for years without any configuration and still use that way on 5 computers at home, and 4 servers on internet, and remote computers in other countries.
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Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-17 8:50 A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 9:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 9:27 ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 12:24 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:35 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:26 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:31 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:34 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 14:27 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 16:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 18:25 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 18:59 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-18 19:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 8:37 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 9:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 11:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-19 15:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 19:31 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-19 21:37 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 6:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-20 7:45 ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 8:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 8:25 ` Ergus
2020-09-21 17:19 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 12:59 ` Ergus
2020-09-22 14:11 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 17:50 ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-22 18:08 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-22 19:12 ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-19 21:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 21:26 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 6:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 8:30 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 15:50 ` Philip K.
2020-09-20 3:53 ` 황병희
2020-09-17 13:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:40 ` Nicholas Savage
2020-09-17 13:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:28 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 19:40 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-17 9:07 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-17 9:32 ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 9:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-21 20:00 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:50 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22 21:54 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-23 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 13:22 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 14:43 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-26 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 17:08 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-29 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 20:40 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 12:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:13 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-02 16:10 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-02 3:51 ` Classifying packages Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 3:38 ` A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:57 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-23 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-25 12:40 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:22 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-26 4:33 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-26 14:29 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-27 2:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27 19:49 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28 4:50 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28 22:03 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 2:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 2:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-29 4:16 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 5:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 5:45 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 15:21 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 13:07 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 15:32 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-27 4:32 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-27 7:50 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 7:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29 7:55 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 8:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29 8:27 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 15:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 18:36 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-30 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 19:50 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-01 7:27 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 13:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:10 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:19 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-02 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:13 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:05 ` dictionary.el could be included in main stream Emacs - " Jean Louis
2020-10-02 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 17:36 ` Torsten Hilbrich
2020-10-01 18:47 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-28 22:05 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-21 17:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 3:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 6:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-23 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 6:24 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:22 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 16:03 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 15:44 ` Jean Louis [this message]
2020-09-23 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-23 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
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