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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256650 Archived-At: ------XTNMZ6EAU0066GQA4W9EXNG3GGY9UZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's unfortunate, but I think that it may be a little bit of hope, I'm go= ing to try to decouple the rudel native server with the client, and see whe= re I can go=2E Thank you=2E On 28 September 2020 02:43:27 CEST, Ergus wrote: > > >On September 25, 2020 12:34:27 PM GMT+02:00, Fermin >wrote: >>Seems like conclave is no longer maintained=2E >>What so you think about putting encryption in the default Rudel sever? >> >>It seems that works well, but I don't know how hard this can be=2E >> >Just to record in the thread for future discussions on this topic=2E > > >After some emails the author of libinfinity confimed that the project >is totally dead and he advices not to use it for future projects >anymore=2E > > >So IMO rudel is also dead as it relies on libinfinity=2E=2E=2E unless som= eone >decides to maintain libinfinity=2E Or create a fork or an alternative=2E > >Best, >Ergus > >>On 25 September 2020 02:22:39 CEST, Ergus wrote: >>>On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 11:41:27PM +0200, Fermin wrote: >>>>This is a great feature for Emacs, thanks to show me the existence >of >>>Rudel, maybe the easiest aproach is to make it work with >>>>https://github=2Ecom/gobby/libinfinit >>>> >>>>Seems quite active, and the client is in a unstable state=2EWhat so >you >>>guys think ? >>>> >>>>Regards=2E >>>> >>>Hi I am trying to find documentation about this and it seems there is >>>not too much available around about libinfinity; but it is installed >>in >>>my system, so it is a "stable" package somehow=2E >>> >>>The only issue I see so far is that it is oriented to gtk >applications >>>which could be a problem for practical uses=2E >>> >>>OTOH I would prefer something less centralized with a p2p like >>>conclave; >>>but I am open to any idea that works=2E >>> >>>There is also Teletype and Tandem=2E=2E=2E the first for Atom and the o= ther >>>is >>>supposed to work with Sublime, Neovim and Apache=2E Which is very >>>attractive IMO because somehow will break our own burble to interact >>>with the rest of the world=2E=2E=2E But they have a node=2Ejs client-se= rver >>and >>>I am not sure how efficient will be to use that requiring python3 >too=2E >>> >>>>On 24 September 2020 03:36:55 CEST, Ergus wrote: > >--=20 >Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------XTNMZ6EAU0066GQA4W9EXNG3GGY9UZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's unfortunate, but I think that it may be a l= ittle bit of hope, I'm going to try to decouple the rudel native server wit= h the client, and see where I can go=2E

Thank you=2E

On 28 September 2020 02:43:27 CEST, Ergus <spacibba@a= ol=2Ecom> wrote:


On September 25, 2020 12:34:27 PM GMT+02:00,=
 Fermin <fmfs@posteo=2Enet> wrote:
Seems like conclave is no longer maintained=2E
What so=
 you think about putting encryption in the default Rudel sever?

It s=
eems that works well, but I don't know how hard this can be=2E

Just to record in the thread for future discussions on this topic=
=2E


After some emails the author of libinfinity confimed that th=
e project is totally dead and he advices not to use it for future projects =
anymore=2E


So IMO rudel is also dead as it relies on libinfinity=
=2E=2E=2E unless someone decides to maintain libinfinity=2E Or create a for=
k or an alternative=2E

Best,
Ergus

On 25 September 2020 02:22:39 CEST, Ergus <spa=
cibba@aol=2Ecom> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 11:41:27PM +0200, Fermin wrote:
This is a great feature for Emacs, tha=
nks to show me the existence of
Rudel, maybe the easiest ap=
roach is to make it work with
https://github=2Ec=
om/gobby/libinfinit

Seems quite active, and the client is in a u=
nstable state=2EWhat so you
guys think ?

Regards=2E

Hi I a=
m trying to find documentation about this and it seems there is
not too =
much available around about libinfinity; but it is installed
in
my system, so it i=
s a "stable" package somehow=2E

The only issue I see so far is that =
it is oriented to gtk applications
which could be a problem for practica=
l uses=2E

OTOH I would prefer something less centralized with a p2p =
like
conclave;
but I am open to any idea that works=2E

There i=
s also Teletype and Tandem=2E=2E=2E the first for Atom and the other
is<=
br>supposed to work with Sublime, Neovim and Apache=2E Which is very
att=
ractive IMO because somehow will break our own burble to interact
with t=
he rest of the world=2E=2E=2E But they have a node=2Ejs client-server
and
I am not=
 sure how efficient will be to use that requiring python3 too=2E

On 24 September 2020 03:36:55=
 CEST, Ergus <spacibba@aol=2Ecom> wrote:
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