From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3A1E40CE-5AF3-4840-94C7-9713CA19B679@gmail.com> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com><201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu><87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org><20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de><22603146-A346-4FC2-8D74-5D6047865C3A@mit.edu> <87r5nf8s7q.fsf@siart.de> <87pr2ygbii.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87tys9180s.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <916F3B17DD1F444DBB3A24999E60858A@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269485834 9945 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2010 02:57:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org discussions" , rms@gnu.org, Miles Bader To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 25 03:57:08 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NudFG-000796-6Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:56:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56800 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NudFE-0004Bl-Er for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:56:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NudEu-000497-5C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35485 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NudEs-00048z-Cz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:56:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NudEr-0003Xd-7r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:56:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:62863) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NudEm-0003WL-Nr; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:56:00 -0400 Original-Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so4242954gyg.0 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:55:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=GQzAcz1xtBxdz1/9lbnlXi5peQRDK1mG6mMmaXcyaw4=; b=p4npLyZO5VRNk4fFeiH0c29aIyeqgg2rBw7e6rFKvFuMzKVtoKieAlmj6vgTslR8y2 GGp8bhqtqkWc7oPASHaTUMf3Dc3IXcCWHdq1uTyLaDOXCNxizyXJ8pyP0/5UN137S0B3 t2bDUtZPNr68AakjJmM4nklhAYEqw9q5ahsiw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=gHDcNLrEA46S8aBWdt8gxSR6qMHw5j8JF863fEzfqVclPEtTgRLqlZvJj05NAxO5WI nWKKmSpXkvG3aOO9iBVXwBV37s3E9Wwv9oHbveNSTfBRTxrfA/M6prpb9kFfuBGrBAPx Ok4FKWwym0ppo/lesL8Q8gaCLtsNHgu7gksQA= Original-Received: by 10.101.8.37 with SMTP id l37mr12083066ani.233.1269485759315; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.129.43.29] (70.43.243.204.nw.nuvox.net [70.43.243.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm417453gxk.11.2010.03.24.19.55.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:55:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <916F3B17DD1F444DBB3A24999E60858A@us.oracle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122632 Archived-At: On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >>=20 >> Is there any empirical sign that this makes Emacs >> harder to use -- for anyone? Or harder to learn -- for anyone? >=20 > Empirical studies that demonstrate that? Dunno. I certainly haven't = researched > it, myself. Have you? Any empirical indication that it does *not* make = life more > difficult? Just because people get by with the feature and don't = complain > doesn't mean that it is a blessing. Somebody will complain sooner or later. We've had d-s-m switched on in Aquamacs from the very beginning (2005), = and I remember seeing only one complaint ever. =20 If text gets overwritten inadvertently it is easy to undo. Of course, = transient mark mode has been on as well, so that the interaction w.r.t. = the region makes sense. One caveat is that the Aquamacs demographic is = not the same as the Emacs one. Second, people who don't like it may either turn it off manually (which = they often do, rather than complain), or use an older version. Both is = fine. It has been my philosophy in Aquamacs to not try to make too many people = happy, but get the interaction right for certain target users. Emacs = would do well to do the same: you can't make novel users and = traditionalists happy at the same time. Whatever you do, do it well. = Pick your poison and stick with it. (Different distributions, as with = Aquamacs, address the issue!)=