From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: 7 May 2003 10:38:12 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <39d9c156.0305070938.21674f38@posting.google.com> References: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305060558.7cba26d9@posting.google.com> <060520031302215334%ajanta@no.spam> <3q1xzbevo1.fsf@shell4.tdl.com> <39d9c156.0305070405.3f98dc37@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052330002 26374 80.91.224.249 (7 May 2003 17:53:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 19:53:19 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DT0X-0006HB-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 19:47:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19DSux-0000qc-03 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2003 13:41:23 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Original-Lines: 50 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.132.31.10 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052329093 22833 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2003 17:38:13 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 2003 17:38:13 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112901 comp.sys.mac.apps:360794 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9396 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9396 David Kastrup wrote ... > You might want to read the Emacs manual on the clipboard and MacOS. If you refer to menu-bar-enable-clipboard, yes I tried that, too, but it didn't change the fact that paste doesn't work. I have also read the section "Keyboard input on the Mac" but it doesn't have anything to offer that addresses my problem (most Emacs shortcuts being deaf). The section on fonts seems to suggest how to change fonts/sizes, but I still don't know how to change the default font or its size. Anyway, fonts are the least of my problems. Anything else in that manual assumes that the Emacs keyboard shortcuts work, but for me most of them are deaf, so the manual doesn't really help. > While you seem to have more fun just ranting, there might be a source > of inspiration in it WRT to writing a manual about Emacs and MacOS. You are not paying attention. I am not writing any manual. I am writing a mini-how-to that aims to get OSX users who are interested in Common Lisp *past* Emacs quickly instead of having to spend an entire week just to get the editor working. Working means they will be able to launch Emacs and have ILISP load automatically so they can do M-x openmcl or M-x allegro and get a listener to their choice of Lisp within Emacs. This, I have already covered. However, other than being a bridge between Emacs and an external Lisp listener, ILISP also provides various convenience features, such as context sensitive access to the Common Lisp HyperSpec, a web based documentation that describes the ANSI CL standard. Those features are activated by Emacs keyboard shorcuts. So, if the shortcuts are deaf then the added value that ILISP is supposed to bring is greatly diminished. And if there are things that Mac users are used to that are not supposed to work in Emacs, such as choosing "Quit" from the menu in order to quit, that's fair enough, but I better tell those folks right away what to expect. Because otherwise, I risk getting swamped with email asking me why this and that doesn't seem to work. rgds bk