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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320722 Archived-At: On June 26, 2024 11:38:32 AM EDT, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:57:30 -0400 >> From: Daniel Colascione >> CC: jb@jeremybryant=2Enet, luangruo@yahoo=2Ecom, acm@muc=2Ede, stefanka= ngas@gmail=2Ecom, >> monnier@iro=2Eumontreal=2Eca, emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg >>=20 >> >> To be clear, my proposal is to bind C-x 4 in the default glo= bal keymap to the corresponding directional windmove commands and to bind t= he shifted versions of these keys to the state swapping versions of these m= ovement commands=2E IOW, in emacs -Q, C-x 4 LEFT should move left=2E >> > >> >Thanks, but how should we do that without breaking >> >windmove-default-keybindings for those users who use it? >>=20 >> =2E=2E=2E by not touching windmove-default-keybindings, except perhaps = to mark it obsolete? Adding bindings to the default keymap does not interfe= re in any way with what windmove-default-keybindings does=2E > >So people who use windmove-default-keybindings will now have these >commands bound to more than one key sequence? =20 Yeah=2E This situation strikes me as only slightly ugly though, and I don'= t see another way to reconcile the compatibility constraints with adding ne= w keybindings=2E Would we remove the global C-x 4 bindings when someone cal= led windmove-default-keybindings? That doesn't strike me as the surprise-mi= nimizing option=2E I hoped we could come >up with a more elegant solution=2E