From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:43:41 -0700 Message-ID: <39CEFBA2787F4B01AF8EA2FF276BD8BD@us.oracle.com> References: <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu><87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org><20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de><87vdcui6oh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp><20100318101223.GB2704@muc.de> <87aau52a84.fsf@lola.goethe.zz><8858F0418A7541B58EA64831F110A2AE@us.oracle.com><87fx3xxz7i.fsf@lola.goethe.zz><87wrx9wjd9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87r5ngvn02.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268984934 29152 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2010 07:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:48:54 +0000 (UTC) To: "'David Kastrup'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 19 08:48:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsWwr-0001bk-4M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:48:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32901 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsWwq-0005CV-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:48:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsWt8-0001Yk-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54829 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsWt6-0001Wo-Pw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:44:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsWt5-0002ei-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:44:56 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:30521) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsWt5-0002ec-3G; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:44:55 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2J7irZk022322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:44:54 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2J1CpPc005078; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:44:52 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt009.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 94371571268984622; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:43:42 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.179.75) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:43:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87r5ngvn02.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Thread-Index: AcrHMSYZkjvFSyKvTL+9oaBxZFiFBQAA617g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4BA32B74.0179:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122262 Archived-At: > >> So by now basically every non-historic way of setting a > >> region makes it active (or should?) even if > >> transient-mark-mode is disabled. > > > > Actually all the mark-* functions don't activate the mark if t-m-m > > is disabled. > > Yes. That might be worth revisiting. Why? Revisit how? Do you want them to activate the mark if t-m-mode is disabled? That's a contradiction in terms, anyway. There is no notion of "active" region when t-m-mode is disabled. It is a concept that applies only to t-m-mode (and modes that enable t-m-mode). Any function whose behavior depends on whether the region is active only does so when t-m-mode is enabled. It cannot do otherwise, since the region is never activated with t-m-mode disabled. It's neither active nor inactive then - the notion of activeness just doesn't apply in that context. > > IIUC what you're suggesting is to enable delsel but in > > return to make C-SPC and C-x C-x not activate the region any more. > > I guess that would be about it. And what will you call that? Yet another selection mechanism for users to wrap their heads around? It's not `delete-selection-mode', and it's not anything we have now. Why go there? And I hope you're not suggesting to change d-s-mode _itself_ to act like that. Please leave d-s-mode alone, whatever changes you make. Don't bother to use d-s-mode as the default, if you don't want it, but please don't mess it up.