From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 5c532fe303: Recommend that the user turn off memory overcommit Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2022 22:08:04 +1200 Message-ID: <395240c80519f1bf37b3ca9e354c6ee5@webmail.orcon.net.nz> References: <164941780605.21656.13343783431945268284@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220408113647.815ACC051D6@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87wnfyoc8l.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3632"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Orcon Webmail Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 09 12:09:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nd824-0000mv-Qk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2022 12:09:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38912 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nd823-0002ij-HN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2022 06:09:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60100) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nd80q-00021O-G3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2022 06:08:12 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:51583) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nd80o-0002ig-QE; Sat, 09 Apr 2022 06:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=54585 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nd80i-0005Ix-9K; Sat, 09 Apr 2022 22:08:04 +1200 Original-Received: from ip-139-180-65-103.kinect.net.nz ([139.180.65.103]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sat, 09 Apr 2022 22:08:04 +1200 In-Reply-To: <87wnfyoc8l.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz X-GeoIP: -- Received-SPF: pass client-ip=60.234.4.34; envelope-from=psainty@orcon.net.nz; helo=smtp-1.orcon.net.nz X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288012 Archived-At: On 2022-04-09 21:08, Po Lu wrote: > It is random, from the perspective of the user, who eventually > develops the sinking feeling that the kernel might not kill > IceCat but Emacs the next time it happens. It's one thing for the user to mistakenly believe that something is random, and it's quite another thing for our documentation to explicitly tell them that is the case. Describing it as "random" helps nobody and is misleading. (I think that doing so has already misled some of the people reading this mailing list.) The process can still be described (in a less-misleading way), and references to documentation can be made to inform users.