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[128.30.9.213]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o136sm995845qke.48.2019.03.21.14.03.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2019 14:03:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83d0mkt0jp.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-GB X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234491 Archived-At: On 2019-03-21 16:50, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman , >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Clément Pit-Claudel >> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:33:21 -0400 >> >> I understand that there's hope to support plurals and internationalization in a more principled way soon, but is this workaround (61f73703c74756e6963cc622f03bcc6938ab71b2) needed in the meantime? > > Whether we like it or not, it's one of the standard methods of solving > these situations. It might sound somewhat more awkward in some > languages than the original wording, but it has other more important > advantages. I don't understand: what does this change buy us currently, except the awkward wording? Arguably the patch for the change was a simplification, but the original author had actually writen the code to get the English plurals right in most cases.