From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Francis Moreau" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What I'm missing when using M-x shell Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:27:47 +0200 Message-ID: <38b2ab8a0809130127x480a8dg9c2bb302f72dfea6@mail.gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1221294499 28107 80.91.229.12 (13 Sep 2008 08:28:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Dan Espen" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 13 10:29:15 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KeQVG-0005ME-Rc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:29:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50359 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KeQUF-0004TK-ME for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:28:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KeQTu-0004TF-Pm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KeQTs-0004T3-V2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42290 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KeQTs-0004T0-RQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]:10525) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KeQTs-0004gv-N6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z36so247866uge.17 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:27:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AD876jorzFiiDje7E+vHQyB3M+3Tk9+HO56idM1M9UQ=; b=MmjjQfb/93W69q92IsrVxzzjIAHxCEwUrUM6VoWDpjcNxkGkuxOvey8twX5JbvUfta 5daXntwAecF6YawjBO8G5+FksyXS81U+OdKz9DIscWUtN+BEOIRuhctB4FapobJj0QdG vDryAfHhgiMTcJm5CHiYOapseL4BFkHuGdBcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=KEfkwDpQ8aPCyNSNt5VvGsNa3jILDefVqNkxlvaQ/qD4ci4Wjf7UiLf9o+ZDjLlkJr eP1f/8LYSzMZtbU7WQFXpZG2pdcoWD9kavbFGnoO8n/nof7wQKIYKgmSPCWpwv8TKo/0 lL4PUFBnGr6ulGnMx0kk361FdWSANywnopLv8= Original-Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr430906ugg.55.1221294467683; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.67.22.17 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:27:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57513 Archived-At: [ please CC me when replying to me ] On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Dan Espen wrote: > Compiles are M-x compile, greps are M-x grep, > ls is dired, email is MH-E. But what would you suggest as replacement for: $ make && gdb || mail -s "Compilation failed" home More generally sh scripts allow automatisation processes that you can't simply do with emacs commands, it similar to using a mouse actually. I don't think you can get rid of them. Futhermore there are a lot of tools out there that are not integrated to emacs if you do so, you don't have enough keys on the keyboard to create bindings ;) So I don't think you can realistically get rid of a shell > Maybe most emacs users aren't that committed to M-x shell and > it's friends. Probably. So for now I don't think I can forget Gnu Screen: one screen to handle a terminal with a shell where all my ncurse based applications can work properly and another screen where emacs lives. Thanks -- Francis