From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13276: 24.2.50; apropos-variable Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:11:12 -0800 Message-ID: <38E9A068A13749DC894603C55CC6D667@us.oracle.com> References: <87ehi1wfhj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87pq1kc4eo.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1357654330 2258 80.91.229.3 (8 Jan 2013 14:12:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13276@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'Bastien'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 08 15:12:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TsZue-0004Bu-P7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:12:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44044 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TsZuO-00010N-2X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:12:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57853) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TsZuL-000100-D1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TsZuI-0000Db-Jj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:12:01 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43136) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TsZuI-0000DW-GR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:11:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TsZuM-0002T6-6G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:12:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13276 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13276-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13276.13576542959454 (code B ref 13276); Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13276) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2013 14:11:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56377 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TsZtv-0002SQ-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:11:35 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:42915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TsZtr-0002SC-CW for 13276@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:11:32 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r08EBIeI017028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:11:19 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r08EBIFx018633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:11:18 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r08EBHwc015667; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:11:17 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.239.152) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:11:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac3rnhtcguhc3UKyRoip8KzZeXe3hgCCufxg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:69493 Archived-At: > > It renames `apropos-variable' to `apropos-option' and define a new > > I think it should be "apropos-user-option", but other than > that, I'm OK with your change. Too bad. That just confuses users more. The only options in Emacs are user options. The name you've chosen hints that there are also non-user options. We used the qualifier "user" for "user variable" because there are also non-user variables. There, it made sense. We don't speak of "user faces". It can sometimes be OK to talk about "user options" or even "customizable options" in text passages, even though this is redundant (and could confuse for the reason mentioned above), if we want to emphasize that these are thingies that users can customize. If the text makes things clear, that's OK. But to use this term in the name of the command is a bad idea, IMHO. It should have been left as was originally suggested: `apropos-option'. In Emacs, an option _is_ a user variable.