From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23812: 25.0.95; Minor glitch in dired listing due to non English host language Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:56:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38927072-5832-4bbf-98c0-1ed9744ec8a3@default> References: <87a8ifhri8.fsf@metapensiero.it> <87lfdzzgt2.fsf@gnus.org> <87ft47se5p.fsf@metapensiero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22240"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 23812@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lele Gaifax , Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 17:57:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpDdy-0005gt-NU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:56:14 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0BFGp9vt056743; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:56:13 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 35e6jre0mw-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:56:13 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 0BFGuB0F026870; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:56:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <87ft47se5p.fsf@metapensiero.it> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5071.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9836 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2012150113 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9836 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 impostorscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1011 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2012150113 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:196162 Archived-At: > > There's been a bit of discussion over the years about that summary line > > in Dired, but I'm not sure whether anybody came to any conclusions. I > > guess we do not want to run "ls" under the C locale? That would make > > all the lines be in English, including the dates... >=20 > IMHO, it should be simply removed, it carries so little information, > especially nowadays. I disagree. Of course, it could be made optional. And the argument that it carries little info isn't an argument for showing no info. It's an argument for showing more or better info. ___ And yes, the info can be improved. In my case (Dired+, files+.el), it shows this, for any listing: z:/path/to/some/subdir: files 157/1659 space used 34111 available 101612836 `files 157/1659' shows the # of files currently shown (visible) in the current subdir listing (157), compared to the # of files in the main dir (1659). And that `files 157/1659' is a link/button. Mouseover tells you: Files shown / total in directory [RET, mouse-1: more info] And clicking or RET shows you complete info about that subdir. E.g.: z:/path/to/some/subdir ---------------------- File Type: Directory Permissions: drwxrwxrwx Time of last access: Wed Jul 25 08:26:24 2018 (Pacific Daylight Time= ) Time of last modification: Wed Jul 25 08:26:24 2018 (Pacific Daylight Time= ) Time of last status change: Wed Jul 25 08:26:16 2018 (Pacific Daylight Time= ) Number of links: 1 User ID (UID): 37686 Group ID (GID): 513 Inode: 281464976926869 Device number: 315264003 Similarly, "space used 34111 available 101612836" is a link/button. Mouseover tells you: Kbytes used in directory, Kbytes available on disk And the same info (see above) is shown when you click or use RET. ___ And let's not forget that when Dired details are hidden (`('), the line isn't shown at all. (IMO, details should be hidden, not shown, by default.)