From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9300: 24.0.50; `bounds-of-thing-at-point' does not return nil when just after THING Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:07:52 +0200 Message-ID: <37a9ccfc-35f9-b8a4-77c9-61a6c3cd02bc@easy-emacs.de> References: < <67e48e39-f31f-5170-a552-ac33509ffcd6@gmail.com> <<8337o79arh.fsf@gnu.org> <0e2c9c67-12a2-4712-92d2-e3c204f46838@default> <83twgn7hjx.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2hi7lks.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466515817 32494 80.91.229.3 (21 Jun 2016 13:30:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 13:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9300@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 21 15:30:05 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bFLkc-0008KP-1w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 21 Jun 2016 13:04:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9300) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2016 13:03:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48756 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bFLL8-0002u7-3S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:03:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.133]:55789) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bFLL5-0002tr-H4 for 9300@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:03:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.1.85]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MOmZe-1bLNUE3Pmg-0065FM; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:03:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.1.0 In-Reply-To: <83k2hi7lks.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:E5xZecIpJs2k3YXAqJIbBO0YjTrguRRYXAX/T/jMHlcMVBOTBH9 j0P4aPMD0Y0z7tSQy3DmYLGJYPBAne7zIRJgeSvCw860iiQkzghnbyql5CDROFam4uwk6Hq bWxSmlDj9fht0pLUsmlYJw/plYzN8Xg+QeB28hammXTm23YJrkIKgJxsQ7gpLAxiCodqzg/ 9AXStgkeZUcAQChuHKfLg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3c2dCOHhWfk=:fbd70uzTa6/w4tR45thDwC VFCW8d+CfCQztxEVutvgQsLa6JtRhBqcRqUChHO1UwVwTpn8CLjN5hzXsNwqDAd36dfpnMC5R IExWlDxPorZGTtua2h8FIbQYCLlp39g2jYyqm9W5BcFFIbXNGcOoCvZk9ggTmTk3tuuIo75m2 uWUAJXrB1tHmF/BJP3PJFvefwXgkI0cB+hm4pVJ0NEqsNmlsvw/SRPfEqwbGR+MHI9VFKl9qW lT82unydkW9jB3XqikZCZeXy3/BSiwGVCrp6XDZ4z0jTkxRX08jtr01wjdxqbhDEpgquwx87O g4a3oqvfa0fsRia8gPIxYa/VnYNMRDMdmphFyV5B9Qsuve3Xy0XSvwVKsvyhaRMoe0lwtEaHK 19t33DFaDsjs8P7ryC+OTlxPHNc3HSP4uwUQwfM8D7J7bIylhaH/X3mQdXYl6Rd+mzQVB+iXD qhMYCHTyPj2V+vNscx9jMQEzpKVOOqc20hSR+zoMsbL5EP1qmSaJgodC/LqK9dDUdAAvQ85fk 6kTOgxIzxJIVYu1aPWN3zXWYkyX+MxScDqSIoZsFR7LMUepErsi3/w11DR8wzPOz4WFMvq5/f J/0NvDLzlFUa7qqrwcXBx6GmnVEOrJCygU3R/xn9FmGMFgsxgJHVSdbKZGy4bAaWPxyNEeQhn Is+HV3XFmrwoPD3WoveK/hha8CswuEJHrRpFCDNksz7tDzPz6m4o/Ko9rNxqwLLoxfJ5rk7mw a8MWJDmFzK7KwjIR X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:119874 Archived-At: On 21.06.2016 14:50, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Andreas Röhler >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:14:22 +0200 >> >> On 20.06.2016 22:04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 10:50:27 -0700 (PDT) >>>> From: Drew Adams >>>> Cc: f92capac@gmail.com, 9300@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru >>>> >>>>> FWIW, I agree with Dmitry: this has been a de-facto behavior long >>>>> enough to consider it the correct one. If documentation is confusing >>>>> in that it says otherwise, we should fix the documentation. >>>> I couldn't disagree more. >>>> >>>> It is wrong to consider the current behavior "the correct one", >>>> regardless of how long it has been in place. It is wrong because >>>> you cannot use it in a general and precise way. It is just broken. >>>> It has been broken for a long time, but it is broken nevertheless. >>> That's immaterial. It is being used in many places, and it's >>> obviously useful. >> It is useful, but not in the way of the lemma "at-point". At-point means >> at cursor-position. > Yes, the de-facto behavior is actually "at or around point". In what programming language users will be satisfied with results which are correct or just a little bit false? Well, assume there are some - so Emacs entered the area of AI :)