From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GSoC 2013 Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 12:09:40 -0700 Message-ID: <379181EA-3CC0-47CE-B870-C9E5273C34F5@mit.edu> References: <87txmkt9tc.fsf@tanger.home> <0wsj22aaw2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87vc6xss1e.fsf@tanger.home> <87wqrdjy1j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87txmh7aqn.fsf@tanger.home> <87vc6xjumn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367780998 487 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2013 19:09:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 19:09:58 +0000 (UTC) To: "Stephen J. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159347 Archived-At: On 05 May 2013, at 08:48, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > It's really bad form to have > the student participating in the slot request process on a public > list, don't you think? Not really, no. It's only a potential problem with the politics of who or what gets chosen when resources are tight. "2 essential of 2 slots" is not such a situation, there's no `vote' over which student projects get mentored, and even if there were, I seriously doubt anyone would vote against Stefan mentoring a project to improve vc. This is `bad form' only in a theoretical alternate universe. > Note I don't blame Fuqiao. Although I don't know his work in detail, > he seems to be precisely the kind of student that GSoC wants to > support, engaged in Emacs development and likely to continue. But > that Emacs is so disorganized as a GSoC subproject that he could > actually come to the point of posting such a thing speaks volumes > about Emacs (as a GSoC subproject). Meh. GSoC is not a school, even though they borrow the terminology `student' and `mentor'. They're looking to support motivated mentor-ees with initiative. That seems like exactly what happened here. Every year around the GSoC deadline there's some form of complaint that there wasn't enough or the right kind of process around getting GSoC students and mentors for Emacs, and that it's a shame that the potential was wasted. GSoC is an effort to help get potential hackers hacking, not to outsource programming needs to cheap labor. Anyone who actually wants to see Emacs get more involved in GSoC needs to start putting in organizational effort (creating process, identifying projects, recruiting students, recruiting mentors, etc) *before*, not *at* the deadline. ~Chad P.S. Sorry for the rant.