From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Divergence in menu appearance between Emacs Info and standalone Info Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:51:25 +0300 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3791-Fri06Jun2003185124+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> References: <200306041404.h54E4SO30552@f7.net> <5x8ysg6p4r.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200306052323.h55NNr4B002965@rum.cs.yale.edu> <9003-Fri06Jun2003125021+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054916512 30313 80.91.224.249 (6 Jun 2003 16:21:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 06 18:21:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19OJyQ-0007sa-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:21:50 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19OKH2-0002F2-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:41:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OJvp-0004Iu-IM for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OJvY-0004Ht-If for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:18:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OJXo-00071w-Pe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:54:21 -0400 Original-Received: from odin.inter.net.il ([192.114.186.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OJUn-0005WI-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretsky (cable-129-113.inter.net.il [213.8.129.113]) by odin.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.5-GR) with ESMTP id BFU80916; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:50:50 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: (bob@rattlesnake.com) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14837 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14837 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:00:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Robert J. Chassell" > > The problem is, what is meant by `look and feel modern'? Whatever HTML browsers do: display the links in a special typeface that makes it clear they are links, pop up a menu when you press mouse-2 or mouse-3 that allow you to display the referenced node in a separate frame, keep a list of recently visited nodes in a menu, etc. > To me HTML > looks more than two decades old, even though I know it is not. This > is because output expressions do not distinguish between references to > the same document on a different page and distant documents I don't get this: to me, the URL displayed at the bottom of the HTML display (an area roughly equivalent to Emacs's echo area), celarly states whether the refenced document belongs to the same document or not. > because I cannot go to next, previous, and subsequent nodes readily, HTML doesn't have inherent support for tree-like structure, it only supports graphs. But that doesn't mean that Info's support of the tree structure interferes in any way with the other features. > I don't see how hiding node names could be a step in the wrong > direction. > > Because node names tell you where a file is located. Sometimes a file > on on someone else's local area network, and your connection to it is > slow or non-existant. I did say that a node name should be accssible, but that doesn't mean it needs to be visible at all times, or for every user.