From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37661.130.55.118.19.1275949975.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <874ohen792.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275949989 26422 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2010 22:33:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , Andreas Schwab , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 08 00:33:07 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLksU-00068P-DA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 00:33:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59706 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLksT-0007Mw-RY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50950 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLksM-0007Mr-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:33:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLksL-00034M-VP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:32:58 -0400 Original-Received: from proofpoint1.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.25]:43908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLksL-00034A-Jv; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:32:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by proofpoint1 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o57MWt4Y026035; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:32:55 -0600 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C964940F23; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) X-NIE-2-Virus-Scanner: amavisd-new at mailrelay1.lanl.gov Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782C4940F22; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by webmail1.lanl.gov (Postfix, from userid 48) id 75E741CA830E; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from 130.55.118.19 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5_4.10.lanl1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.8161:2.4.5, 1.2.40, 4.0.166 definitions=2010-06-07_04:2010-02-06, 2010-06-07, 2010-06-07 signatures=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125617 Archived-At: > Yes. But I'm clearly misunderstanding something. With etc/HELLO as is, > if I move the cursor over the arabic line, both C-f and do the > exact same thing. If I turn the text into R2L as Andreas suggested > then, yes, I see the difference. But you talked about R2L text (the > arabic words) within an L2R paragraph, not the other way around; or at > least that's how I interpret it. So obviously my lousy English skills > are failing me again. That's just the point. , as it stands, is only aware of the direction of the paragraph, not of the text, so it moves forward in logical order in an L2R paragraph even when that means moving leftward on the screen. Eli, I believe, is proposing changing things so that /etc. move visually in all cases (while C-f/etc. would still move logically in all cases). Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.