From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24597: 25.1; Fonts used by default in Info Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 10:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <372bcff5-1612-4bf9-ab95-a63ba5dcec9b@default> References: <837f9ppfz5.fsf@gnu.org> <3d8c3427-b5da-4d88-a0de-044bec367b34@default> <8337kdpci2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1475517266 29414 195.159.176.226 (3 Oct 2016 17:54:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24597@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 19:54:19 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br7RO-0006Im-2R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 19:54:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38437 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br7RM-0000Xz-N0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:54:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58683) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br7RF-0000Xg-M7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:54:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br7RC-0001AK-Hc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:54:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37042) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br7RC-0001AA-Dr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br7RC-00086O-7g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:54:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 17:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24597.147551722731112 (code B ref 24597); Mon, 03 Oct 2016 17:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 17:53:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43232 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br7Qx-00085k-6J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:53:47 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:43409) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br7Qv-00085O-J4 for 24597@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:53:46 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u93HrcCS007052 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:53:38 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u93Hrber020465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:53:38 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u93HrZkC012715; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:53:36 GMT In-Reply-To: <8337kdpci2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:123969 Archived-At: > > > > Why use, by default, two **slightly** different looking fonts? The= y > are > > > > not different enough to make =E2=80=98...=E2=80=99 very noticeable.= Nor are they the > > > > same. What's the point of this choice? > > > > > > The point is exactly to have a different face for symbols. > > > > I don't disagree with that point. > > > > What's the point of using family Courier for one and Courier New for > > the other? That's the question. Doesn't seem like a great choice. >=20 > I believe we don't specify Courier, it's just what Emacs picks up on a > typical Windows machine when we ask for a "Monospace Serif" font. See > the definition of the Info-quoted face in info.el. Hm. What I see is that we specify the "courier" family, not that we ask for a "Monospace Serif" font: (defface Info-quoted '((t :family "courier")) "Face used for quoted elements.") I know nothing about such things, but it seems odd that MS Windows creates font Courier New, and seems to use it by default quite a bit, and yet we tell it to use family "courier", and it ends up using font Courier (if available), not Courier New. I think maybe you are saying that there is no good way to make the two use the same font by default. So be it, if so. [I'd suggest using two fonts that are more different, by default. For one thing, that would make clear to users that a face is involved. Or if there is no policy to avoid color, I would use the same font but a foreground color different from the default (black).]