From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chetan Pandya Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Annoying paren match messages in minibuffer Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:16:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <368223.81972.qm@web83204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1231974978 23058 80.91.229.12 (14 Jan 2009 23:16:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:16:18 +0000 (UTC) To: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 15 00:17:30 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LNEzK-0003d5-3Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:17:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50082 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LNEy3-00017T-GU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:16:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LNExz-00016Y-1L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:16:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LNExx-00014T-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:16:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33268 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LNExx-00014Q-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:16:05 -0500 Original-Received: from web83204.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([216.252.101.48]:46076) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LNExx-0006Me-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:16:05 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 82434 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2009 23:16:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=dL5eDIAoNuwIXoDHdQvbK9UTBK1TE6YhtPcKn8Ccv4Y8akFVYJvoao22H4YmYEpNGtaxzFtbJ1EmXTwq+jrmzTsFMExT0l+lIq/xPIgg+GfkexH4RDxm18AzfujpWHzF75bwvwYkmfNZq2+Fg5DFPaFkXdBqaCJYGciS0Gpqoqg=; X-YMail-OSG: Pez4SYcVM1kumuBAQWdgij69GVmcGVupYdLxAO_nxNIkkt00P9qPjCfTVymcQ.TWCsqjIy2sG9Ob.MsIk5_XwaAn5AF03mRgOaqukxUWwiE_ZaMq9pmOxx8a4s8OWnhyVG9TWTtc3KZh5hzUzB8e.xW9bpCarA9.fs7xsnr4BANsQA-- Original-Received: from [75.36.182.159] by web83204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:16:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107876 Archived-At: > > > I didn't mean for the extra header line to always be present, > > > just to be created on demand when there's a need for an extra > > > message in the minibuffer. Yes, this would move the mode-line > > > one line up and down when displaying the extra header line in > > > the minibufer, but that might not be a problem given that it's > > not such a frequent action. > > > > Oh, I see, then I guess it'd be OK, tho I'd rather see the message > > *below* rather than *above*. > I don't have a ready-made opinion on this, but please, whatever you do, keep the > possibility for programmers to get the current behavior. > It sounds like we're veering into territory that could well be as annoying, at > least to some, as the behavior that someone originally found annoying. > So, by all means, implement it, play with it, ask others to play with it, and > maybe even add it to Emacs. It sounds like an idea worth exploring. But please > don't replace the existing behavior, at least as an option for those who prefer > it. > IOW, yes to new, experimental ideas; no to adopting them willy nilly. Given how much traffic there has been on discussing "message", I tend to agree. For the people who want to experiment, it is possible to do (setq messagefn (symbol-function 'message)) (fset 'message 'my-choice-message-function) So it isn't clear there is any urgency of doing this, unless there are other instances where the current behavior is irritable and this solution does not work, but then a different solution is needed anyway. Chetan