From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Óscar Fuentes'" <ofv@wanadoo.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound?
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:24:30 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3645C0AD02614A619963E61A5EFFB70F@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8762tnbaaq.fsf@wanadoo.es>
> > There are 3 possibilities that have been discussed:
> > 1. It is bound in Emacs. Invoke the Emacs binding.
> > 2. It is not bound. Raise an Emacs unbound error.
> > 3. It is not bound. Pass Alt-F4 through to Windows.
>
> (global-set-key [M-f4] (lambda () (interactive)...))
> See: with #1 and #3 the user can prevent sending Alt-F4 back to
> Windows. No need for #2.
That's nothing new. See #1 above - users can bind M-f4. Everyone has
recognized that from the beginning.
> how is useful for the user to show an unbound error instead of
> doing what is advertised on a menu and a platform's UI standard
> procedure?
Why not? And why shouldn't a library be able to do that? Why arbitrarily take
away that control? An error represents information, and it can be used for
program control.
The technical difficulties in this thread apparently involve how to pass-through
to Windows. In any case, (AFAICT) they have nothing to do with not allowing
users a choice. Why preclude that choice if there is no technical reason to?
Why even argue against this? I really don't understand. No one is insisting
that Alt-f4 can never be sent to Windows. And you agree that users have and
should continue to have the choice of binding the key in Emacs. Why not also
give them the choice over what to do if the key is unbound? Where's the beef?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-17 20:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-05 14:48 Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-05 17:11 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-05 17:36 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 18:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-09 22:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10 1:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 1:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10 3:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 3:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-12 13:53 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-12 15:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 15:54 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-12 17:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 20:29 ` Chad Brown
2011-01-12 20:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-12 20:42 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-13 2:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 3:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 3:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 4:15 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 13:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 16:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 18:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 21:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 22:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 0:12 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 0:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 5:02 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 8:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:18 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 22:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:47 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 23:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 23:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 9:25 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2011-01-14 9:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:53 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-13 23:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 0:13 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 1:35 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 5:08 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 10:49 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-14 15:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-15 0:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-15 11:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24! 9921783@us.oracle! .com>
[not found] ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24!9921783@us.oracle!! ! .com>
[not found] ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24!9921783@us.oracle!! .com>
2011-01-16 23:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 1:40 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 1:52 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 8:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 19:02 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 19:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:20 ` Bikeshedding "user choice" Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 5:29 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 6:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 17:45 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 4:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-19 19:34 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 8:06 ` Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? jasonr
2011-01-17 19:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 20:24 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2011-01-17 2:27 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-17 18:21 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 17:58 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 20:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 22:24 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <D727BC7268A24AF7B9544FD4E0B74E11@us! .oracle.com>
2011-01-14 22:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 23:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 0:33 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-01-17 1:41 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 1:45 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 8:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 8:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-17 9:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-15 2:38 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 10:15 ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-01-05 15:31 ` Christopher Allan Webber
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-14 1:20 grischka
2011-01-17 12:06 grischka
2011-01-17 12:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 14:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 16:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 9:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 12:10 ` grischka
2011-01-17 20:31 Drew Adams
2011-01-17 20:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 21:56 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 22:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 23:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 23:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 0:36 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 0:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 1:20 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 1:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:14 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 9:36 grischka
2011-01-18 12:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 13:15 ` grischka
2011-01-18 13:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 10:08 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-19 19:37 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 1:00 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-20 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 20:10 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-18 13:33 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 13:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:40 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 17:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
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