From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15296: 24.3.50; A macro object does not necessarily have `lambda' as its cadr Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 07:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3633cc3f-1b4c-4d4e-a27f-e3c5be9735c7@default> References: <8d69314c-7324-4751-b7c2-ee1a26645afb@default> <87zjrozwzg.fsf@web.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378563865 27963 80.91.229.3 (7 Sep 2013 14:24:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 14:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15296@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 07 16:24:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VIJR4-0006yK-HJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:24:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42430 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VIJR3-0004wE-VP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:24:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55438) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VIJQs-0004v0-DQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:24:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VIJQh-0008AW-1Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:24:14 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38637) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VIJQg-0008AR-Tv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VIJQg-0004MP-9x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:24:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 14:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15296 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15296-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15296.137856383216746 (code B ref 15296); Sat, 07 Sep 2013 14:24:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15296) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2013 14:23:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VIJQV-0004M0-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VIJQT-0004Ll-JC for 15296@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r87ENgNA031362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Sep 2013 14:23:43 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r87ENfJ5009998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Sep 2013 14:23:42 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt109.oracle.com (abhmt109.oracle.com [141.146.116.61]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r87ENfxb009993; Sat, 7 Sep 2013 14:23:41 GMT In-Reply-To: <87zjrozwzg.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:78110 Archived-At: > > AFAICT, (elisp) `Defining Macros' is the closest thing we have to doc > > telling you how to test whether a Lisp object is a macro. There is no > > `macro-p' predicate or similar in Emacs Lisp, unless I'm missing > > something. (Shouldn't there be?) >=20 > There is `macrop' in subr.el (since some months ago, I think). Wow, that's weird. And thank you. That was the first thing I looked for (the second was `macro-p'), and for some reason I didn't find it (and I'm using only a recent Emacs 24 build for this testing). But you are right. I must have somehow checked for that in a different Emacs version. Anyway, that solves my problem wrt testing the type. > > Anyway, this Elisp manual node says that a macro is a list whose car > > is `macro' and whose `cdr' is a lambda expression. That's not true if > > the `defmacro' was byte-compiled. >=20 > Confusing, indeed. Not confusing, actually. It's quite clear. And wrong, unfortunately. So AFAICT this should remain open for now, as a doc bug.