From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Morgan Willcock" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: =?utf-8?q?Re=3A?= [ELPA] New =?utf-8?q?package=3A?= kixtart-mode Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 01:20:29 +0100 Message-ID: <3614-636c4400-59-4ba2fc00@190192803> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4750"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: SOGoMail 5.5.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stefan Monnier" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 10 01:21:16 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1osvJj-000123-ID for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 01:21:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osvJD-0001ij-KX; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 19:20:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osvJ5-0001iX-9f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 19:20:35 -0500 Original-Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osvJ3-0008Ax-0P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 19:20:35 -0500 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: morgan@ice9.digital) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 773A940002; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:20:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ice9.digital; s=gm1; t=1668039629; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to; bh=r2tHi0CEn4viQWAOWYuevfHiRYBlKsKiQ8T1Yf1BRHc=; b=CUdT2bLdHhsagoq0Wrn9Kf0Ssc78qaCQs+pgDcbtdXUcqlsWQ6hau5FAqGDvYnnbO8Azk/ lJpMM+I7Qt6ZALlL660DdnKsOhaQC/n5LjQ6iyJo2ONKY2QW8y16xvVPQeYr/wKNg40fv+ YSxkmo2BkOEVpujV9se6Fd/moQvGadZW4y3tXlNXgbjRPJZatxy/rSvkLV5s95ZjghpoPa 72wrL4yn9zrlRp3DlmQmyfoGk/q51hgpAgaz3YWlp56N0Z6Mk5ZqjMR0sL6GnBMUqCgdRo Rga2MVBR2orQnkAEHZ9zNyvDdVeS2sHid8SHCbq4muXjSQVsTdEfY163QEHlHg== In-Reply-To: X-Forward: 127.0.0.1 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.194; envelope-from=morgan@ice9.digital; helo=relay2-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FROM_FMBLA_NEWDOM14=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299448 Archived-At: On Wednesday, November 09, 2022 23:58 GMT, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Morgan Willcock [2022-11-09 23:48:25] wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 09, 2022 22:04 GMT, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > Would there be any issues in adding the package? > >> > >> There is one issue, yes: is KiXtart Free Software? > >> According to Wikipedia, the license is "Closed source Careware". > >> And indeed, I can't find any source code on http://www.kixtart.org= /. > >> If that's indeed proprietary code, then I think we probably wouldn= 't > >> want to host `kixtart-mode` on (Non)GNU ELPA. > > > > There is no dependency or inter-op with the interpreter, and the pa= ckage > > was developed independently - since the source code is not availabl= e it > > is also impossible for me to create any link to it. > > Yes, I understand this. The question is rather one of policy/strateg= y > than one of copyright. > > > But if this is the final decision I'll live with it. > > I can never remember exactly what is the policy in such cases, so I'm= > hoping Richard will chime in. AFAIK the general rule is that we don'= t > want to distribute packages which are only meaningful when you use > proprietary software, but the details matter (e.g. is it likely that > someone will choose to use another editor to edit their KiXtart code,= is > it likely that someone will start to use KiXtart because it has a nic= e > Emacs mode, ...). If I were to argue the case I would state that: 1. There aren't actually many alternatives to this package for up-to-date language support in any editor, so the chances of someone= using Emacs specifically to use the package is not zero. 2. Emacs already contains bat-mode.el which explicitly states that it i= s for editing Windows specific scripts and also includes functionality= to execute those scripts using the proprietary interpreter: ;;; Commentary: ;; ;; Major mode for editing DOS/Windows scripts (batch files). Provid= es syntax ;; highlighting, a basic template, access to DOS help pages, imenu/o= utline ;; navigation, and the ability to run scripts from within Emacs.