From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: newbie needs to be bailed out Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:32:04 +0100 Message-ID: <35AE2C89-747F-4159-821B-B6B50EE4F783@Web.DE> References: <1978399.maUQQ65Fer@yoda> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325766749 31521 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2012 12:32:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Marko Vojinovic Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 13:32:22 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RimUW-0003ba-89 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:32:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50000 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RimUT-00022L-EO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:32:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36926) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RimUJ-000220-JH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:32:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RimUI-0006Ps-Em for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:32:07 -0500 Original-Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de ([217.72.192.227]:47557) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RimUI-0006Pg-8i for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:32:06 -0500 Original-Received: from moweb001.kundenserver.de (moweb001.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.114]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A4C1BF38C89 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:32:04 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from peter-dyballas-macbook-pro.fritz.box ([88.153.242.186]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M57ja-1SfXVy3BaI-00zHai; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:32:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1978399.maUQQ65Fer@yoda> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yijBVp+rNJXwINtNX6d/MjFrkgBxZT5LXl1pby7f5R5 J+BHTHcZo7Jr4ltzKmYI1r++JCRLVlEjFaSHZeiSv9i4RSnfQd nfMoj+wcNAS019zgjh5P4j2YWtsBDHBjCcObn+pzmq1EL0uQ+H hN209mX8FeK5ZylR+Dem+sKKQFvoNebiPV5dqoRJ5DfDdVbw9q UGt08DuLRWbj6xGEk4RBA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 217.72.192.227 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:83352 Archived-At: Am 5.1.2012 um 01:14 schrieb Marko Vojinovic: > This maybe doesn't apply to the OP, but I've seen MacOSX users who = don't even=20 > know what a "terminal" is, let alone how to open one (being a Linux = user=20 > myself, I also had some trouble finding a way to open a terminal when = I first=20 > sat in front of a Mac machine on one occasion). Apple adds some documentation to the released DVDs which explain such = basic things. It's mostly English, though... and has to be read by = oneself, it does not speak. >=20 > So, is there a way to find out the emacs version from within a running = emacs=20 > instance itself? How can you determine that when you can't launch a terminal in which GNU = Emacs runs? -- Greetings Pete If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. =96 George W. Bush