From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Ames Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Lost functionality in buffer item in menu bar from 22 to 23... Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <3555a58b-d75f-4140-a3e8-ca885210aac2@q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com> References: <21ff1e64-8d78-41b4-b7f8-f15db9529e6f@z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <2f1f4d43-29e3-4a5b-a787-5ce8ce2563b0@d37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273056780 29469 80.91.229.12 (5 May 2010 10:53:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 10:53:00 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 05 12:52:58 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9cDo-00034U-SP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 12:52:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50179 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9cDo-0005R5-7v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 06:52:56 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 47 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.254.114.31 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1269293567 11517 127.0.0.1 (22 Mar 2010 21:32:47 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com; posting-host=71.254.114.31; posting-account=IVyglAoAAAA_PTo8VTZSu73_5QLmIBCX User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100124 Firefox/3.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:177544 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 May 2010 16:48:38 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73368 Archived-At: On Mar 22, 11:54=A0am, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I renamed the menu-bar.el.gz, menu-bar.elc, tmm.el.gz, and tmm.elc > > files from emacs 23.1 and then copied the same files from emacs 22.3 > > to the 23.1 lisp directory. > > When something gets worse between versions, the first thing to do is > check etc/NEWS to see if the change was conscious and if so how to > revert it in your .emacs. =A0In this case, I think the etc/NEWS won't > say anything, which means you should report it via M-x report-emacs-bug. > > > The end result was no change in the behavior of the buffer menu bar > > item in tmm-menubar. Pressing F10 then "b" gave me just the same four > > options, with no list of open buffers. There's something going on > > beyond the tmm and menu-bar files. > > Indeed, I see the problem: the GUI's menu bar gives me all the buffers, > but F10 b only shows me the 4 other choices. =A0Please M-x report-emacs-b= ug. > > > This is a little frustrating because the Emacs 22 buffer item in tmm- > > menubar makes buffer switching [I]very[/I] easy: Hit F10, b, and the > > first letter of the buffer I want. Then the menubar buffer goes away > > and the buffer I selected is up. > > We (Emacs maintainers) usually don't pay too much attention to the > actual structure of the menus: we assume the menus are only used for > "advertisement" purposes, so we care about the fact that the structure > makes sense and makes commands easy to find, but not so much about > whether a command is quick to access. =A0I.e. as soon as you use a featur= e > often enough to care about where the command is located in the menu, you > should try and use a key-binding instead. > > E.g. for buffer switching there are many different options available > which might suit you even better, starting with just C-x b, or refined > via iswitchb, etc... > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Stefan Stefan, Thanks for the response. I submitted this bug with the above information. It is now bug number 5726. Regards, Drew Ames