From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35080.130.55.118.19.1269526888.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <8739zps45s.fsf@mean.albasani.net> <87mxxw6c7b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87fx3o4k1j.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269528439 11742 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2010 14:47:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 25 15:47:14 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuoKx-0001Kx-Ph for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:47:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48078 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nuo9V-00013P-Hm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:35:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NunwH-0005Dj-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:21:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53287 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NunwF-0005DY-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:21:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NunwD-0006hl-8Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from proofpoint2.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.26]:54661) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NunwC-0006hE-Vu; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by proofpoint2.lanl.gov (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o2PELRUR027475; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:21:28 -0600 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65C62473D0; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:21:28 -0600 (MDT) X-NIE-2-Virus-Scanner: amavisd-new at mailrelay1.lanl.gov Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5D3247408; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by webmail1.lanl.gov (Postfix, from userid 48) id BD8041CA827D; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from 130.55.118.19 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:21:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.7.lanl7 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.8161:2.4.5, 1.2.40, 4.0.166 definitions=2010-03-25_11:2010-02-06, 2010-03-25, 2010-03-25 signatures=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122653 Archived-At: >> So you seriously believe that currently it is not possible for a >> prospective user to do even the simplest editing in Emacs. > > Yes I do. > > In simple editing I include that the visible region behaves as they do > in other editing environment. That is something I have seen people > using very frequently. But is that "the simplest editing" or merely "simple editing"? The former is more objective than the latter, because most of us would agree on an approximate order of complexity among editing operations, but it is quite arbitrary where to draw the line between "simple" operations and the others. Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.