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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141622 Archived-At: On Jul 5, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Antoine Levitt wrote: >> Thus, we can assume this test is done running as root. > > Except apt-get doesn't call make install, so it's a package maintainer > gotcha. In fact, I will be surprised if 5% of the used emacs installations involve `make install' being run as root on anything strongly resembling the user's configuration, and absolutely shocked if it's as high as 10%. In the end, Richard has an idea he wants to try, that covers relatively rare edge cases. Multiple people have suggested that this *might* not be a good idea, but the edge cases are so rare and varied that no one will be persuaded by theoretical discussion. We might as well try it and see. It would still probably be worth-while to try an http-based bug-reporting system, if the relevant people have the free cycles. This probably includes gnu.org maintainers, though, making that possibility seem slight. I hope this is helpful; my apologies if not. *Chad