From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34456.128.165.123.18.1190066585.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190066652 10159 80.91.229.12 (17 Sep 2007 22:04:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Richard Stallman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 00:04:08 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IXOhK-00031R-FY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:04:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXOhJ-0005dg-9q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXOga-0005V7-TF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:03:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXOgZ-0005UZ-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:03:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXOgY-0005UV-Ul for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:03:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IXOgV-0004og-5l; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:03:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.6/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id l8HM3ArX018737; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:03:10 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id l8HM35iS008517; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:03:05 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.lanl.gov (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8HM35Wo022797; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:03:05 -0600 Original-Received: (from apache@localhost) by webmail1.lanl.gov (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id l8HM35KE022794; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:03:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: webmail1.lanl.gov: apache set sender to herring@lanl.gov using -f Original-Received: from 128.165.123.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:03:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-6.el3.2lanl X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-CTN-5-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://network.lanl.gov/email/virus-scan.php X-CTN-5-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CTN-5-MailScanner-From: herring@lanl.gov X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79132 Archived-At: > There are nonetheless beginners who habitually run Emacs with a file > name argument, and would never see the splash screen if it only > appeared with no argument. The reason I made that change is that > I discovered this phenomenon. How are there (Emacs) beginners who "habitually run Emacs" at all? In any case, one could make the splash screen appear regardless the very first time Emacs were run, in that if no .emacs were present it would automatically write one that suppressed the splash-screen-with-arguments behavior. Of course, even that test is imperfect; borrowing someone else's machine or account for whatever reason does not make one a beginner. And creating files without being asked is not very good behavior. But neither is making it inordinately difficult to edit a file. Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.