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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255050 Archived-At: > > > > there are countervailing good reasons to move them > > > > from Edit (e.g. to File). > > > > > > Where did you see a Go To item under File? It makes no sense. > > > > I don't know that I saw it anywhere. >=20 > You never started MS Word? You asked me where I've seen it _under File_. I replied that I don't know whether I've seen that anywhere. I certainly don't remember where I might have seen that. Is it important? Now you're apparently asking whether I've ever seen `Go To' _at all_, or rather whether I've seen it in MS Word. I don't remember whether I've seen it in MS Word either. I happen to have Word open now, and I don't _notice_ it anywhere. But then again, I don't see any menus. What looks like menu-bar labels (`View' etc.) just seem to change the band of icons and panels underneath that bar; they don't seem to show menus. (I use MS Word only to read things others have written, and I do that as seldom as possible.) At any rate, if your point (for some reason) is to say that MS Word has `Edit > Go To', then fine. QED. We have a winner! > > Just as `File' often has entries for accessing > > recently opened files, so I see it as having > > entries for accessing other "locations". >=20 > File is already a very large menu, apart of being unrelated to moving > in a document. Agreed. Other stuff there, such as the window & frame stuff, could be moved to a `View' or other menu. I prefer that _none_ of the menus - including `Edit' and `File', be a catch-all bin. There's still room for improvement.