From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Chinese characters support Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 06:32:32 +0300 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3405-Sun11May2003063231+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> References: <84he8292dt.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <20030511.023149.92589622.acmuller@gol.com> <8361-Sat10May2003214356+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> <20030511.111148.41626730.acmuller@gol.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052624153 11689 80.91.224.249 (11 May 2003 03:35:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 03:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 11 05:35:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Ehcs-00032M-00 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 05:35:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19EheC-0000gL-05 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 May 2003 23:37:12 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Ehdi-000068-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 May 2003 23:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Ehdd-0008I6-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 May 2003 23:36:38 -0400 Original-Received: from aragorn.inter.net.il ([192.114.186.23]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Ehdc-0008At-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 May 2003 23:36:36 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretsky (tony08-234-90.inter.net.il [80.230.234.90] (may be forged)) by aragorn.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with ESMTP id AOJ67888; Sun, 11 May 2003 06:36:13 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: acmuller@gol.com X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: <20030511.111148.41626730.acmuller@gol.com> (message from Charles Muller on Sun, 11 May 2003 11:11:48 +0900 (JST)) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9558 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9558 > Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 11:11:48 +0900 (JST) > From: Charles Muller > > Eli wrote: > > > If you read the archives of this forum (and of gnu.emacs.bug), you > > will see that it's been recommended _a_lot_. > > > > > It is not my purpose to badmouth Emacs handling of Unicode. > > > > However, you've actually done precisely that. > > All I'm trying to do, as a person who does a lot of work with CJK and utf-8 > is point out something that can be done a little better. I can't understand > why you guys can't simply say "hmm.. perhaps this is something we should > look into." What's the big deal? Is anything but complete acceptance of your opinions going to convince you that we know what we are talking about? Look, all I was trying to do, as a person who did some work in this area for Emacs, and as someone who does get to answer lots of questions about this, is to tell you that etc/HELLO _is_ useful, and that the last thing I'd expect Emacs maintainers to do is to remove it. Why cannot you accept that? It goes without saying that in a Unicode Emacs, the one that will have its internal representation of characters based on Unicode codepoints, HELLO will be recoded, either in that internal representation or in UTF-8. But until that happens, I don't see any reason to recode it.