From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuan Fu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70036: a fix that Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 17:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3333E3B9-D81B-4C62-A8F5-A8841E7A66F7@gmail.com> References: <86y19ad61t.fsf@gnu.org> <43de4151-ab68-4214-8691-33f3554feba1@email.android.com> <86r0f2d46x.fsf@gnu.org> <86jzkud0be.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32190"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: theo@thornhill.no, Eli Zaretskii , 70036@debbugs.gnu.org, Felician Nemeth To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 19 02:59:10 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rxcaq-00087p-LR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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I wouldn=E2=80=99t consider it sarcasm, I=E2=80=99m sure Eli does mean = that he=E2=80=99s an uninvolved party, in the sense that he=E2=80=99s = neither Theo nor you. >=20 >>> So let's skip the morals. >>=20 >> No, let's not. >=20 > Really, you want to go at it again? Well let me just add a pinch of > salt to your typical condescension lecture, getting some facts = straight > about what happened here. I=E2=80=99m absolutely sure that you don=E2=80=99t want to hurt anyone = on this list, and I=E2=80=99m sure you have way too many Emacs work to = take care of in the limited personal time you got. But, I can see that = to an average person in the English-speaking culture, your words can = sound a bit harsh. Theo is an adult, yes, but why not be extra nice to = each other when we can? To me, taking some extra care for our fellow = Emacs developers in this cold world is definitely well worth it, even if = it means writing longer sentences :-) I hope you don=E2=80=99t take Eli=E2=80=99s reply as sarcasm plus = lecture, because I can see that he definitely doesn=E2=80=99t mean it. = He=E2=80=99s trying to maintain a nice, friendly environment for Emacs = developers, which is part of the job of a maintainer. He=E2=80=99s = succinctness in phrasing probably didn=E2=80=99t help here, but given = the amount of messages he needs to reply everyday, I can=E2=80=99t = really blame him ;-) And please don=E2=80=99t take this as a criticism, it=E2=80=99s = understandable to feel what you felt in the conversation. I just want to = share a more benefit-of-the-doubt-y view from a third-party. I=E2=80=99ll = be very sad if you, Eli, and any fellow developers ends up in heated = arguments and bad mood because of misunderstandings and = miscommunication. Yuan=