From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Concern about new binding. Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:25:07 +0000 Message-ID: <329d68a5ed92cda54b61@heytings.org> References: <87zh0mmr54.fsf@gmail.com> <5588fb25805d486be704@heytings.org> <5588fb2580d7e46863dd@heytings.org> <5588fb2580f248753c30@heytings.org> <5588fb25800032b1a06a@heytings.org> <993b9ce74de32c5450c3@heytings.org> <329d68a5ed872ee02e63@heytings.org> <329d68a5ed58df62b603@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15860"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 19:28:24 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAdB1-00040Z-8K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:28:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59642 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAdB0-0000NH-9W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:28:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAd7x-0005jn-F5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:25:13 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:48556) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAd7u-0005zr-8m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:25:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1613154307; bh=58IWYbSFa4zK86A6QOMTp7B6z5qBUHNu+ZMygu6XGh8=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=l1ikuWLNOMmsyrO+7QKcoX7Jci8qjYYjjKyk8CYHEU73L/laHvUOBTMJxcEsYCgmo wZrrdFqrV3xqWG4XwsPDT5QUVCS17jj4V83MjDzu1d+R4BOHu7Z9jvytUa5x85Kj22 DZWgznsypm4wv0Ea34hKzBGuSEwyxs0MhRC33rLQ9oa+SAz7anxk88FDwsi0JN3NKz nqzMiB+SDUmqX1BBfymcrm41wARjwiAfhlglbO92iatVImcM1z6IDhXAvQgQGGS5mu 4K0AH2Kx9IK7jwMD2Z+zR8S5DKMV2ngpD8cA+Tu4x1VwPC7tswaBIznQna6o6Fl12V g2lwlQcCcpXOA== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264547 Archived-At: >> The proposal is only to create a key space in which third party >> packages could automatically create global key bindings, without >> conflicting with Emacs core (that is, without rebinding any key bound >> in vanilla Emacs) and without conflicting with users' personal >> settings. > > No, your proposal was not _only_ to do that. > > _My_ proposal was to do that, and to do it for keys that are not already > bound by default - just reserve those for 3rd-party code. > ... and two maintainers replied to that proposal that they will never agree with it. Again, it would be better to take that as a postulate for further reflection. > > _Your_ proposal was to change some key that already has a default > binding, and give it -- and ONLY it -- to 3rd-party libraries as a > prefix key. > Yes, that's what "to create a key space" means. It's a compromise between "being free to reclaim any key at any time" and "being constrained to not use any key it doesn't yet use". IOW, it's a compromise between "keeping all keys" and "giving away all unbound keys". The compromise is to give away one or two keys, and to keep the other ones. Such a compromise would give as much freedom as possible to Emacs, as much freedom as possible to third-party libraries, without changing users' habits too much.