From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Concern about new binding. Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:09:27 +0000 Message-ID: <329d68a5ed872ee02e63@heytings.org> References: <87zh0mmr54.fsf@gmail.com> <20210203221628.xgvvxjvh56gyswba@Ergus> <20210204070033.pm4ido4hq7a6twif@Ergus> <83sg6brhyg.fsf@gnu.org> <5588fb25805d486be704@heytings.org> <5588fb2580d7e46863dd@heytings.org> <5588fb2580f248753c30@heytings.org> <5588fb25800032b1a06a@heytings.org> <993b9ce74de32c5450c3@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24305"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 10:12:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAUUr-0006Dg-PA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:12:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38590 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAUUq-0003fR-SY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 04:12:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49094) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAUSG-0002Ay-0E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 04:09:37 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:47820) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAUSA-0007I9-5V; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 04:09:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1613120967; bh=269Xo9CZzuumHM9budAy3d0BunB3DYbL8ZlPleAsqMc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=HpZNhSJ/+FB58nxqFuccO4rNqDKuD1WpgtK1xgtOw00shhWGobPRBoIwhnmpJqa0s SUPcxN4dGwiH8tWOm4+BKFhZHpd7pFzyJworDQxeWIGhG0BXhlt3nKzUJJ4G1+n8rF +ogdIxkz6T6xByLPWWzEPWDNvPQxCxFEtwijrmUbw/QreyVHirT5HbF4Awy3rg5nI2 Rg3hDOD8QtcUm1mC8cL8nWulIcL+N2ubbcY0eYnUzazBl8W1SzRFLjdSiVBHaiUToT zLSoMGh+vpM3tYRXk5mpcnSExKP029RLrYNmlr6lThZl4oBpQLCREeYJWQz6TNsBv3 TuZXpZgq8l/cA== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264473 Archived-At: > > Most (All?) keyboards today have a Super key -- why not allocate that or > parts of it to global third-party packages? > Because the super modifier cannot be used in a terminal or console? > > This solves moving things around, and constantly breaking things for > people. > Is it not a slight exaggeration to say that Emacs is "constantly breaking things"? > > There are far more solutions to this problem than just unbinding keys > unconditionally for some unknown future case that nobody can figure out. > It's not "for some unknown future case that nobody can figure out", it's for a recurring problem that is becoming more and more important. More and more users use Emacs, the extensible editor, with third-party extension libraries, and these these third-party extension libraries cannot create global key bindings.