From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: "Philip K." <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:54:43 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <329d68a5ed26ba41356b@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zh098lo4.fsf@posteo.net>
>> I have no opinion about whether it is better for packages to install
>> global bindings at installation time, at loading time or at activation
>> time. At first sight it seems to me that all three could make sense,
>> depending on the package.
>
> I do think that the problems are relevant, because they show that
> activation at install- or load-time are bad style. The only real choice
> is activation-time, but that won't work for examples like Magit, since
> they are not activated using modes. I'm not sure how I'd feel about a
> magit-global-mode...
>
As I said, I have no opinion about which moment is better. But it seems
to me that "the only real choice is activation-time" is wrong. It depends
on how much that package modifies the user interface. Magit is a good
example in that respect: nothing is changed, except three global key
bindings. There are other cases, imagine a package implementing a global
command to query the stock price of the string under point to display it
in the minibuffer. It would make sense that installing that package
binds, say, "C-\alpha $" to its command "display-stock-price", if that key
is still available, without asking the user whether they really want that
binding. Other package authors may prefer to delay that binding until the
package is loaded with a "require" or "load". Yet others may prefer to
delay that binding until the package is explicitly activated with M-x or
in the users' init file.
>
> The only real solution that I see is something along the lines of what I
> recommended: Packages suggest customizations, and package-install may
> either ignore, ask for confirmation or accept them by default, if there
> are no problems with what is suggested (eg. collisions).
>
And that solution cannot be implemented if there is no key space reserved
for third-party libraries. Which is what the proposal is about. The
proposal is not about the particular mechanisms that could be used to bind
keys in that reserved area.
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2021-02-07 22:05 PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 0:13 ` Ergus
2021-02-08 2:57 ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2021-02-08 3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 7:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 8:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 16:54 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-09 21:21 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10 21:43 ` Bindings for setting faces (was: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-09 18:37 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Stefan Monnier
2021-02-08 22:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 15:45 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 23:01 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-09 3:20 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09 9:13 ` Simen Heggestøyl
2021-02-09 9:30 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-09 13:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 6:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 12:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 4:52 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-08 8:41 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 17:07 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-11 12:59 ` Arthur Miller
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 7:42 ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-09 8:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 23:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 8:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 12:42 ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 14:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 17:59 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 22:40 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-02-09 16:45 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10 5:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 9:29 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-11 13:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:52 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 10:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 11:35 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 12:59 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:09 ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:25 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 13:34 ` vc-magit mode Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-10 15:33 ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 16:47 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 17:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 13:37 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 14:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-11 15:13 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 16:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12 8:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-12 8:36 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 15:11 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-13 3:26 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 11:07 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 13:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 14:10 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 14:51 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 15:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 15:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 16:35 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-10 16:35 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-10 17:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 13:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 9:40 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-08 20:32 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:37 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 22:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 16:57 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 17:59 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-09 18:24 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 18:19 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 19:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:28 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 20:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 22:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 21:34 ` Sean Whitton
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2021-02-09 23:18 ` Philip K.
2021-02-10 11:07 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 23:35 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 8:45 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 13:53 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:47 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 16:20 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 17:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 18:34 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 21:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 22:48 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 0:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 10:27 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 11:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 13:23 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 13:54 ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
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2021-02-13 21:37 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) " Jean Louis
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2021-02-12 9:58 ` Philip K.
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