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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: "Philip K." <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:59:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <329d68a5ed1656b4427e@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87czx5a947.fsf@posteo.net>


>> I fear you're splitting hairs here: the distinction between "install", 
>> "load" and "activate" is not important in this discussion, with the 
>> current state of affairs neither installing nor loading nor activating 
>> the package can automatically create a global key binding.  The 
>> proposal is an attempt to make that possible.
>
> Well none of these should so it, with the possible exception of 
> activating, that I'll mention again below. But I still think that the 
> distinction is important, if only because it is real. I recently 
> realized there would be another problem with this approach, as you also 
> mentioned that global modes should activate themselves on installation, 
> specifically naming Ivy, the completing-read framework. But what if 
> someone decides to install Helm? Will these two modes now interfere, 
> possibly breaking everything, or is it Helm's responsibility to 
> deactivate Ivy. If so, does every completion framework have to know 
> about every other one?
>

That question and the problems you raise are orthogonal to the problem at 
hand.  I did not say that the distinction isn't important in general, only 
that it isn't relevant for the problem that the proposal attempts to 
solve.

I have no opinion about whether it is better for packages to install 
global bindings at installation time, at loading time or at activation 
time.  At first sight it seems to me that all three could make sense, 
depending on the package.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-12 11:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 185+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-07 22:05 PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08  0:13 ` Ergus
2021-02-08  2:57 ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2021-02-08  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08  7:20   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 14:58     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-08 21:00       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09  8:13         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 16:54           ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:13             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 17:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-09 21:21               ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10 21:43                 ` Bindings for setting faces (was: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-09 18:37             ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Stefan Monnier
2021-02-08 22:45       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 15:45     ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 23:01       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-09  3:20         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09  9:13         ` Simen Heggestøyl
2021-02-09  9:30         ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-09 13:01           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:00     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09  6:03     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 12:36   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08  4:52 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-08  8:41   ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 17:07     ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-11 12:59     ` Arthur Miller
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09  7:42     ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-09  8:23       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 23:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09  8:23     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 12:42 ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 14:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 17:59 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 22:40   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-02-09 16:45     ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10  5:28       ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10  9:29         ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-11 13:37           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:52             ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 10:42         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 11:35           ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 12:59             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:09             ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:25               ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 13:34               ` vc-magit mode Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-10 15:33               ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 16:47                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 17:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 13:37           ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 14:38             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-11 15:13               ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 16:08                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12  8:21                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-12  8:36                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 15:11                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-13  3:26                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 11:07         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 13:00           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:59             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 14:10               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 14:51                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 15:12                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 15:23                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 16:35               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-10 16:35             ` Drew Adams
2021-02-10 17:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 13:37           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:55             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12  9:40       ` Jean Louis
2021-02-08 20:32 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:37     ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 22:00       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 16:57       ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:19         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 17:59           ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-09 18:24             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 18:19           ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 19:16             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:28               ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 20:15                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 22:19             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 21:34           ` Sean Whitton
     [not found] ` <8735y56naf.fsf@posteo.net>
     [not found]   ` <8ed9b43502ae9a36b057@heytings.org>
2021-02-09 23:18     ` Philip K.
2021-02-10 11:07       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 23:35         ` Philip K.
2021-02-11  8:45           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 13:53             ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:47               ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:59               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 16:20                 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 17:48                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 18:34                     ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 21:15                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 22:48                         ` Philip K.
2021-02-12  0:01                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 10:27                             ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 11:59                               ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2021-02-12 13:23                                 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 13:54                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 14:09                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 16:04                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 17:25                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 17:54                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 18:16                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 21:48                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13  0:37                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13  8:33                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13  9:09                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 13:06                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 14:28                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:01                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 16:08                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:02                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 15:21                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:28                                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:39                                                                 ` Nothing is the list - " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 20:14                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 20:58                                                               ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 21:18                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 21:32                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 21:37                                                                 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 23:55                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14  6:19                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14  6:33                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14  8:06                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 18:30                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 19:21                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:44                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-02-15  0:33                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15  5:59                                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 17:59                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:14                                                                       ` libraries (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 18:23                                                                       ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 21:37                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15  0:28                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15  5:02                                                                           ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-15 11:08                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-17  9:07                                                                               ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-20 17:50                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:30                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 18:50                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 19:24                                                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:41                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30                                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-13 10:05                                                     ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key " Jean Louis
2021-02-13  8:24                                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 12:44                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 14:26                                                     ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:09                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:24                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:38                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:45                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12  4:45                           ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-12  9:58                             ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 16:59                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:58             ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:59             ` Leo Butler
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-02-08 10:02 Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 16:41 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-08 22:01 ` Francis Belliveau
2021-02-09  0:05   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-10 22:54     ` Francis Belliveau
2021-02-09  6:31 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-09  9:13   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 11:17     ` Jean Louis
2021-02-09 17:13   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09 17:49     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 18:12       ` Drew Adams
2021-02-09 19:23         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 20:52           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09 21:15             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 21:47               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-10 11:07                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10  9:05               ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-10 14:42                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-10 14:59                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09  8:13 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-02-09  9:13   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15 19:01 Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15 19:55 ` Dmitry Gutov

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